Trump and Putin in Helsinki

[Deleted member 848]

Dude, I wish. My mom is heavy on that Rachel Maddow stuff.

America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.

 

[Stoked]

Bernie support was fueled by under 30. The least reliable voters in the US.

He might have won but Clinton losing had more to do with the FBI stuff, smear tactics, and other factors including being female than her actual policies.

1) Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating of any politician in the United States across every level of representation
2) Clinton losing had everything to do with ****** messaging, ****** campaign strategies, and a reputation of being beholden to financial and corrupt interests.

I don’t agree with a lot of what Dala says. But I fell he’s right on this one. That and her being a Clinton. Political death to half the country. Just like a Bush to the other half.

 

[Gameface]

America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.

Very little of the Russia stuff was being talked about before the election. Very little.

 

[Stoked]

America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.

There is a big difference between the general vote in heavy liberal areas and heavy conservative ones. While she won in NY I severely doubt she’d have won in ID, UT, MS, AR, MO...

More and more we are starting to see the geography of voters match the political divide. We are self segregating. That’s bad.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don’t agree with a lot of what Dala says. But I fell he’s right on this one. That and her being a Clinton. Political death to half the country. Just like a Bush to the other half.

The annoying thing with centrists saying "she lost because she's a woman!" is that everyone knows that this isn't true, and it unfortunately it leads to many to ignore the very real reality that being a female politician is much more difficult, and you often have to work twice as hard through every stage of your career just to get the same respect as a male politician. Male privilege is a thing, white privilege is a thing, and denying it is ****ing stupid and non-factual. But how do you reconcile a politician losing "because she was a woman" when the previous politician was a much more underprivileged person-- a black male with the name of Barack Hussein Obama? You're gonna pin something as complex as political victories on one ****ing factor? Did Bernie lose to Hillary because "he's Jewish"?

You watch the complete ****ing clown-car that is Hillary Clinton's campaign team, and political career, and you're gonna pin a failure on her being female, and "emails"?

I'm sorry, if she lost because of Comey's testimony, she never deserved to win in the first place. Trump's simplistic messaging was so strong that he won despite admitting to sexual assault on audio.

 

[Deleted member 848]

There is a big difference between the general vote in heavy liberal areas and heavy conservative ones. While she won in NY I severely doubt she’d have won in ID, UT, MS, AR, MO...

More and more we are starting to see the geography of voters match the political divide. We are self segregating. That’s bad.

rural, non-coastal voters throughout history tend to nurture and support left-wing movements the most intensely, because they tend to reap the rewards of the economic growth of a nation the least.

Eugene Debs was born in Indiana and died in Illinois. That region was the hotbed of American socialism at the turn of the 20th century. The greatest resistance to any left-wing movement is generally waged by the upper class, which ironically tend to be more centralized in the larger metropolitan regions of America.

 

[Ron Mexico]

You cannot name a single progressive idea that Bernie has, that hasn't already been implemented in another developed country to overwhelming success. But, again, this is what propaganda does-- secures funding for insane imperialist military complexes and perpetual warfare, along with tax breaks for the wealthy-- while telling you that you can't afford to pay for healthcare

1) Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating of any politician in the United States across every level of representation
2) Clinton losing had everything to do with ****** messaging, ****** campaign strategies, and a reputation of being beholden to financial and corrupt interests.

Maybe, that is all debatable but something I dont really care about. The fact is you can say whatever you want about Clinton but her policies she ran on were well supported.

Bernie also didnt win the primary.

 

[Ron Mexico]

You cannot name a single progressive idea that Bernie has, that hasn't already been implemented in another developed country to overwhelming success. But, again, this is what propaganda does-- secures funding for insane imperialist military complexes and perpetual warfare, along with tax breaks for the wealthy-- while telling you that you can't afford to pay for healthcare

I know you are a die hard Bernie fan but there is no reason to get rude. I dont listen to propoganda against him. I liked Bernie at first and supported him but then did my own research and realized I didnt support his policies and disagreed with him. Like most politicians I support some of his ideas but not all of them.

Real talk here... You are throwing around propaganda so I will just state this. If you 100% or close to that support one party or one candidate on all issues you have bought into their propaganda.


Also what other countries and goverments do does not necassarily mean it will be successful with another government.

Ill give 1 example. His most talked about and supported idea is free college education. That sounds really nice and well supported but the fact is if we did that in the US the group that would most benefit from it would be rich white males. The people who need it the least. College is free or close to free already for minorities and poor people. Plus the fact that most groups are not going to go to a high end rich school except rich white males. So you just give more to people who have the most. So its a nice idea but not doing what its supposed to or all that helpful.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Maybe, that is all debatable but something I dont really care about.

Again, I ask you to find one single example (you wont find one).

The fact is you can say whatever you want about Clinton but her policies she ran on were well supported.

If this was the case, she would have won. aaaaaaaand she didn't. sorry. she's a neolib who only gives a **** about the upper classes, that's why no one gave a **** to go out and vote for her.

Bernie also didnt win the primary.

Ah yes, what a fair and transparent primary process that was.

Good luck putting forward any nominee from the DNC in 2020 that will beat Bernie, if he so chooses to run. Also, ironic seeing you say that "Bernie shouldn't caucus with the DNC" but then saying "Bernie shouldn't run as an independent it will splinter the left!" so, of course, the remaining option becomes "Bernie shouldn't run!"[/QUOTE]

 

[Ron Mexico]

I don’t agree with a lot of what Dala says. But I fell he’s right on this one. That and her being a Clinton. Political death to half the country. Just like a Bush to the other half.

Sure, I dont really care why you think she lost. There are a lot of reasons including some of what Dala said and some of what I said.

But my point still stands, she didnt lose because of her stance on policies. Clinton has a very good people researching for her and pushing her campaign. She campaigned on policies that were well supported. There are other reasons she lost not because more people liked Trumps or Bernies policies.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I know you are a die hard Bernie fan but there is no reason to get rude. I dont listen to propoganda against him. I liked Bernie at first and supported him but then did my own research and realized I didnt support his policies and disagreed with him. Like most politicians I support some of his ideas but not all of them.

First of all, I don't mean to be rude-- and I dont think I've been personal or anything. Secondly, I'm not a diehard Bernie fan, I have numerous critiques of him.

Real talk here... You are throwing around propaganda so I will just state this. If you 100% or close to that support one party or one candidate on all issues you have bought into their propaganda.

See above. Bernie is very flawed, much like every other politician.

Also what other countries and goverments do does not necassarily mean it will be successful with another government.

The opposite is true-- just because something worked elsewhere, doesn't mean that it can't work here.

Ill give 1 example. His most talked about and supported idea is free college education. That sounds really nice and well supported but the fact is if we did that in the US the group that would most benefit from it would be rich white males. The people who need it the least. College is free or close to free already for minorities and poor people. Plus the fact that most groups are not going to go to a high end rich school except rich white males. So you just give more to people who have the most. So its a nice idea but not doing what its supposed to or all that helpful.

You're going to need to cite a source on this, because this is firmly incorrect. Additionally, it goes against the learned lessons of other jurisdictions who fund/stipend education from K-PhD, and noticing on how the representation of minorities with higher education has increased since this implementation.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Sure, I dont really care why you think she lost. There are a lot of reasons including some of what Dala said and some of what I said.

But my point still stands, she didnt lose because of her stance on policies. Clinton has a very good people researching for her and pushing her campaign. She campaigned on policies that were well supported. There are other reasons she lost not because more people liked Trumps or Bernies policies.

Clinton had Robby ****ing Mook telling her to not stop once in Michigan to campaign.