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Most Americans do not give a single **** about Russia. Campaign on health care, affordable housing, and better public education. This will do way ****ing more than Rachel Maddow preaching to her viewers about the optics of Russiagate
I would like to think/hope that is true but I'm doubtful of that.
 
I have literally zero faith in the Democrats winning in 2020. The only way they win is if Bernie Sanders secures the nomination, and the whole party gets behind this sort of rhetoric.
He shouldnt run as a democrat since he isn't one. It's weird that people don't understand why the Democratic party didn't want him to win.

I also don't think he would win either. He appeals to young people and they suck at following through and voting.

On a side note I would be very disappointed if he ran again. I don't like his ideas. A lot of sounds nice ideas until you dig into it. Plus he will just splinter a party or the vote if he is independent.

But he does seem to care about his principles and wants what's best for people, that's the part I like.

Hopefully a better candidate runs, but who knows.

Just like local elections right now someone will run on a **** Trump platform and get support. It's a terrible platform that will probably fail and if it doesn't we still get a **** candidate.
 
Public healthcare has 70% approval across the United States. Every other country has pulled it off.
That doesn't mean people care more about it.

Also if you do that poll with increasing taxes for it the majority won't support it.

I'm all for universal care. But not if my taxes pay for it.

We need to fix who is paying for things. Business need to pay taxes and we need to spend our money better.
 
He shouldnt run as a democrat since he isn't one. It's weird that people don't understand why the Democratic party didn't want him to win.

I also don't think he would win either. He appeals to young people and they suck at following through and voting.

On a side note I would be very disappointed if he ran again. I don't like his ideas. A lot of sounds nice ideas until you dig into it. Plus he will just splinter a party or the vote if he is independent.

But he does seem to care about his principles and wants what's best for people, that's the part I like.

Hopefully a better candidate runs, but who knows.

Just like local elections right now someone will run on a **** Trump platform and get support. It's a terrible platform that will probably fail and if it doesn't we still get a **** candidate.

bernie would have won. trash neoliberalist ideas that have done nothing for the middle class spanning back to the 70s have zero pull with voters right now.
 
That doesn't mean people care more about it.

Also if you do that poll with increasing taxes for it the majority won't support it.

I'm all for universal care. But not if my taxes pay for it.

We need to fix who is paying for things. Business need to pay taxes and we need to spend our money better.

if you're messaging is so ****** that you cannot point out how a marginal tax increase results in the net savings of thousands of dollars generally spent on health care & education year to year for each family, then you either a) don't belong in politics; or b) are a Democrat, and have overseen the era where the DNC has lost representation at every level of governance from State Senate upwards.
 
Also I'm not sure the number is that high for support of government paid universal health Care.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-support-for-single-payer-health-coverage-grows-driven-by-democrats/?amp=1

This shows about 30% support.

every single health care system in the world isn't purely single-payer-- it's always a mix of public and private insurance (splits are usually 70/30 in the developed world, with some variations and exceptions).
 
On a side note I would be very disappointed if he ran again. I don't like his ideas. A lot of sounds nice ideas until you dig into it. Plus he will just splinter a party or the vote if he is independent

You cannot name a single progressive idea that Bernie has, that hasn't already been implemented in another developed country to overwhelming success. But, again, this is what propaganda does-- secures funding for insane imperialist military complexes and perpetual warfare, along with tax breaks for the wealthy-- while telling you that you can't afford to pay for healthcare
 
bernie would have won. trash neoliberalist ideas that have done nothing for the middle class spanning back to the 70s have zero pull with voters right now.
Bernie support was fueled by under 30. The least reliable voters in the US.

He might have won but Clinton losing had more to do with the FBI stuff, smear tactics, and other factors including being female than her actual policies.
 
Bernie support was fueled by under 30. The least reliable voters in the US.

He might have won but Clinton losing had more to do with the FBI stuff, smear tactics, and other factors including being female than her actual policies.

1) Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating of any politician in the United States across every level of representation
2) Clinton losing had everything to do with ****** messaging, ****** campaign strategies, and a reputation of being beholden to financial and corrupt interests.
 
Most Americans do not give a single **** about Russia. Campaign on health care, affordable housing, and better public education. This will do way ****ing more than Rachel Maddow preaching to her viewers about the optics of Russiagate
Dude, I wish. My mom is heavy on that Rachel Maddow stuff.
 
Dude, I wish. My mom is heavy on that Rachel Maddow stuff.

America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.
 
Bernie support was fueled by under 30. The least reliable voters in the US.

He might have won but Clinton losing had more to do with the FBI stuff, smear tactics, and other factors including being female than her actual policies.

1) Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating of any politician in the United States across every level of representation
2) Clinton losing had everything to do with ****** messaging, ****** campaign strategies, and a reputation of being beholden to financial and corrupt interests.

I don’t agree with a lot of what Dala says. But I fell he’s right on this one. That and her being a Clinton. Political death to half the country. Just like a Bush to the other half.
 
America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.
Very little of the Russia stuff was being talked about before the election. Very little.
 
America already tried running a campaign of "Red Scare" against Donald Trump, and we saw how that turned out. You cannot in good faith argue that more people in America care about Russia than healthcare

2018 midterms will truly expose to all of y'all where voters truly stand. Ppl like Joe Crowley are getting kicked to the curb, and there's more to follow.

There is a big difference between the general vote in heavy liberal areas and heavy conservative ones. While she won in NY I severely doubt she’d have won in ID, UT, MS, AR, MO...

More and more we are starting to see the geography of voters match the political divide. We are self segregating. That’s bad.
 
I don’t agree with a lot of what Dala says. But I fell he’s right on this one. That and her being a Clinton. Political death to half the country. Just like a Bush to the other half.

The annoying thing with centrists saying "she lost because she's a woman!" is that everyone knows that this isn't true, and it unfortunately it leads to many to ignore the very real reality that being a female politician is much more difficult, and you often have to work twice as hard through every stage of your career just to get the same respect as a male politician. Male privilege is a thing, white privilege is a thing, and denying it is ****ing stupid and non-factual. But how do you reconcile a politician losing "because she was a woman" when the previous politician was a much more underprivileged person-- a black male with the name of Barack Hussein Obama? You're gonna pin something as complex as political victories on one ****ing factor? Did Bernie lose to Hillary because "he's Jewish"?

You watch the complete ****ing clown-car that is Hillary Clinton's campaign team, and political career, and you're gonna pin a failure on her being female, and "emails"?

I'm sorry, if she lost because of Comey's testimony, she never deserved to win in the first place. Trump's simplistic messaging was so strong that he won despite admitting to sexual assault on audio.
 
There is a big difference between the general vote in heavy liberal areas and heavy conservative ones. While she won in NY I severely doubt she’d have won in ID, UT, MS, AR, MO...

More and more we are starting to see the geography of voters match the political divide. We are self segregating. That’s bad.

rural, non-coastal voters throughout history tend to nurture and support left-wing movements the most intensely, because they tend to reap the rewards of the economic growth of a nation the least.

Eugene Debs was born in Indiana and died in Illinois. That region was the hotbed of American socialism at the turn of the 20th century. The greatest resistance to any left-wing movement is generally waged by the upper class, which ironically tend to be more centralized in the larger metropolitan regions of America.
 
You cannot name a single progressive idea that Bernie has, that hasn't already been implemented in another developed country to overwhelming success. But, again, this is what propaganda does-- secures funding for insane imperialist military complexes and perpetual warfare, along with tax breaks for the wealthy-- while telling you that you can't afford to pay for healthcare
1) Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating of any politician in the United States across every level of representation
2) Clinton losing had everything to do with ****** messaging, ****** campaign strategies, and a reputation of being beholden to financial and corrupt interests.
Maybe, that is all debatable but something I dont really care about. The fact is you can say whatever you want about Clinton but her policies she ran on were well supported.

Bernie also didnt win the primary.
 
You cannot name a single progressive idea that Bernie has, that hasn't already been implemented in another developed country to overwhelming success. But, again, this is what propaganda does-- secures funding for insane imperialist military complexes and perpetual warfare, along with tax breaks for the wealthy-- while telling you that you can't afford to pay for healthcare
I know you are a die hard Bernie fan but there is no reason to get rude. I dont listen to propoganda against him. I liked Bernie at first and supported him but then did my own research and realized I didnt support his policies and disagreed with him. Like most politicians I support some of his ideas but not all of them.

Real talk here... You are throwing around propaganda so I will just state this. If you 100% or close to that support one party or one candidate on all issues you have bought into their propaganda.


Also what other countries and goverments do does not necassarily mean it will be successful with another government.

Ill give 1 example. His most talked about and supported idea is free college education. That sounds really nice and well supported but the fact is if we did that in the US the group that would most benefit from it would be rich white males. The people who need it the least. College is free or close to free already for minorities and poor people. Plus the fact that most groups are not going to go to a high end rich school except rich white males. So you just give more to people who have the most. So its a nice idea but not doing what its supposed to or all that helpful.
 
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