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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/31/why-donald-trump-will-soon-be-indicted/

Why Donald Trump will soon be indicted
What will his defense be?

By Andrew P. Napolitano -
Wednesday, August 31, 2022
OPINION:

It gives me no joy to write this piece.

Even a cursory review of the redacted version of the affidavit submitted in support of the government’s application for a search warrant at the home of former President Donald Trump reveals that he will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury for three crimes: Removing and concealing national defense information (NDI), giving NDI to those not legally entitled to possess it, and obstruction of justice by failing to return NDI to those who are legally entitled to retrieve it.

When he learned from a phone call that 30 FBI agents were at the front door of his Florida residence with a search warrant and he decided to reveal this publicly, Mr. Trump assumed that the agents were looking for classified top-secret materials that they’d allege he criminally possessed. His assumptions were apparently based on his gut instinct and not on a sophisticated analysis of the law. Hence, his public boast that he declassified all the formerly classified documents he took with him.

Unbeknownst to him, the feds had anticipated such a defense and are not preparing to indict him for possessing classified materials, even though he did possess hundreds of voluntarily surrendered materials marked “top secret.” It is irrelevant if the documents were declassified, as the feds will charge crimes that do not require proof of classification. They told the federal judge who signed the search warrant that Mr. Trump still had NDI in his home. It appears they were correct.

Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply and always criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances move it from one place to another, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it. Stated differently, the absence of classification — for whatever reason — is not a defense to the charges that are likely to be filed against Mr. Trump.

Yet, misreading and underestimating the feds, Mr. Trump actually did them a favor. One of the elements that they must prove for any of the three crimes is that Mr. Trump knew that he had the documents. The favor he did was admit to that when he boasted that they were no longer classified. He committed a mortal sin in the criminal defense world by denying something for which he had not been accused.

The second element that the feds must prove is that the documents actually do contain national defense information. And the third element they must prove is that Mr. Trump put these documents into the hands of those not authorized to hold them and stored them in a non-federally secured place. Intelligence community experts have already examined the documents taken from Mr. Trump’s home and are prepared to tell a jury that they contain the names of foreign agents secretly working for the U.S. This is the crown jewel of government secrets. Moreover, Mr. Trump’s Florida home is not a secure federal facility designated for the deposit of NDI.

The newest aspect of the case against Mr. Trump that we learned from the redacted affidavit is the obstruction allegation. This is not the obstruction that Robert Mueller claimed he found Mr. Trump committed during the Russia investigation. This is a newer obstruction statute, signed by President George W. Bush in 2002, that places far fewer burdens on the feds to prove. The older statute is the one Mr. Mueller alleged. It characterizes any material interference with a judicial function as criminal. Thus, one who lies to a grand jury or prevents a witness from testifying commits this variant of obstruction.

But the Bush-era statute, the one the feds contemplate charging Mr. Trump with having violated, makes it a crime of obstruction by failing to return government property or by sending the FBI on a wild goose chase looking for something that belongs to the government and that you know that you have. This statute does not require the preexistence of a judicial proceeding. It only requires that the defendant has the government’s property, knows that he has it and baselessly resists efforts by the government to get it back.

Where does all this leave Mr. Trump? The short answer is: in hot water. The longer answer is: He is confronting yet again the federal law enforcement and intelligence communities for which he has rightly expressed such public disdain. He had valid points of expression during the Russia investigation. He has little ground upon which to stand today.

I have often argued that many of these statutes that the feds have enacted to protect themselves are morally unjust and not grounded in the Constitution. One of my intellectual heroes, the great Murray Rothbard, taught that the government protects itself far more aggressively than it protects our natural rights.

In a monumental irony, both Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks journalist who exposed American war crimes during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency employee who exposed criminal mass government surveillance upon the American public, stand charged with the very same crimes that are likely to be brought against Mr. Trump. On both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden, Mr. Trump argued that they should be executed. Fortunately for all three, these statutes do not provide for capital punishment.

Mr. Rothbard warned that the feds aggressively protect themselves. Yet, both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden are heroic defenders of liberty with valid moral and legal defenses. Mr. Assange is protected by the Pentagon Papers case, which insulates the media from criminal or civil liability for revealing stolen matters of interest to the public, so long as the revealer is not the thief. Mr. Snowden is protected by the Constitution, which expressly prohibits the warrantless surveillance he revealed, which was the most massive peacetime abuse of government power.

What will Mr. Trump say in his defense to taking national defense information? I cannot think of a legally viable one.

• Andrew P. Napolitano is a former professor of law and judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey who has published nine books on the U.S. Constitution.
 
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/31/why-donald-trump-will-soon-be-indicted/

Why Donald Trump will soon be indicted
What will his defense be?

By Andrew P. Napolitano -
Wednesday, August 31, 2022
OPINION:

It gives me no joy to write this piece.

Even a cursory review of the redacted version of the affidavit submitted in support of the government’s application for a search warrant at the home of former President Donald Trump reveals that he will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury for three crimes: Removing and concealing national defense information (NDI), giving NDI to those not legally entitled to possess it, and obstruction of justice by failing to return NDI to those who are legally entitled to retrieve it.

When he learned from a phone call that 30 FBI agents were at the front door of his Florida residence with a search warrant and he decided to reveal this publicly, Mr. Trump assumed that the agents were looking for classified top-secret materials that they’d allege he criminally possessed. His assumptions were apparently based on his gut instinct and not on a sophisticated analysis of the law. Hence, his public boast that he declassified all the formerly classified documents he took with him.

Unbeknownst to him, the feds had anticipated such a defense and are not preparing to indict him for possessing classified materials, even though he did possess hundreds of voluntarily surrendered materials marked “top secret.” It is irrelevant if the documents were declassified, as the feds will charge crimes that do not require proof of classification. They told the federal judge who signed the search warrant that Mr. Trump still had NDI in his home. It appears they were correct.

Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply and always criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances move it from one place to another, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it. Stated differently, the absence of classification — for whatever reason — is not a defense to the charges that are likely to be filed against Mr. Trump.

Yet, misreading and underestimating the feds, Mr. Trump actually did them a favor. One of the elements that they must prove for any of the three crimes is that Mr. Trump knew that he had the documents. The favor he did was admit to that when he boasted that they were no longer classified. He committed a mortal sin in the criminal defense world by denying something for which he had not been accused.

The second element that the feds must prove is that the documents actually do contain national defense information. And the third element they must prove is that Mr. Trump put these documents into the hands of those not authorized to hold them and stored them in a non-federally secured place. Intelligence community experts have already examined the documents taken from Mr. Trump’s home and are prepared to tell a jury that they contain the names of foreign agents secretly working for the U.S. This is the crown jewel of government secrets. Moreover, Mr. Trump’s Florida home is not a secure federal facility designated for the deposit of NDI.

The newest aspect of the case against Mr. Trump that we learned from the redacted affidavit is the obstruction allegation. This is not the obstruction that Robert Mueller claimed he found Mr. Trump committed during the Russia investigation. This is a newer obstruction statute, signed by President George W. Bush in 2002, that places far fewer burdens on the feds to prove. The older statute is the one Mr. Mueller alleged. It characterizes any material interference with a judicial function as criminal. Thus, one who lies to a grand jury or prevents a witness from testifying commits this variant of obstruction.

But the Bush-era statute, the one the feds contemplate charging Mr. Trump with having violated, makes it a crime of obstruction by failing to return government property or by sending the FBI on a wild goose chase looking for something that belongs to the government and that you know that you have. This statute does not require the preexistence of a judicial proceeding. It only requires that the defendant has the government’s property, knows that he has it and baselessly resists efforts by the government to get it back.

Where does all this leave Mr. Trump? The short answer is: in hot water. The longer answer is: He is confronting yet again the federal law enforcement and intelligence communities for which he has rightly expressed such public disdain. He had valid points of expression during the Russia investigation. He has little ground upon which to stand today.

I have often argued that many of these statutes that the feds have enacted to protect themselves are morally unjust and not grounded in the Constitution. One of my intellectual heroes, the great Murray Rothbard, taught that the government protects itself far more aggressively than it protects our natural rights.

In a monumental irony, both Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks journalist who exposed American war crimes during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and Edward Snowden, the former National Security Agency employee who exposed criminal mass government surveillance upon the American public, stand charged with the very same crimes that are likely to be brought against Mr. Trump. On both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden, Mr. Trump argued that they should be executed. Fortunately for all three, these statutes do not provide for capital punishment.

Mr. Rothbard warned that the feds aggressively protect themselves. Yet, both Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden are heroic defenders of liberty with valid moral and legal defenses. Mr. Assange is protected by the Pentagon Papers case, which insulates the media from criminal or civil liability for revealing stolen matters of interest to the public, so long as the revealer is not the thief. Mr. Snowden is protected by the Constitution, which expressly prohibits the warrantless surveillance he revealed, which was the most massive peacetime abuse of government power.

What will Mr. Trump say in his defense to taking national defense information? I cannot think of a legally viable one.

• Andrew P. Napolitano is a former professor of law and judge of the Superior Court of New Jersey who has published nine books on the U.S. Constitution.
People should read ^ this ^ post.

It is very important to understand that the the crimes Trump may be indicted for in relation to the documents seized at Mar-A-Logo do not depend on the classification status of those documents. Classified, Top Secret, Secret, Declassified, Unclassified, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE THINGS TRUMP IS BEING CHARGED WITH! He kept NDI in an unsecure location, shared it with people not authorized to see it and had unauthorized people handle the information. Then he didn't give it back when this was explained to him and when he was formerly asked to turn over the documents.

For some reason Trump believed that he had the privilege as an ex-president to retain documents more casually than I keep my tax forms that contains details about undercover operations and agents working in hostile conditions.

For all of the people who constantly normalize Trump's actions, I have no expectations of you. If you were going to find a line you wouldn't cross it would have happened a long time ago. You are the ones that want this thing, this movement, this MAGA adventure to win so bad that you don't care how it happens. It (Trump, MAGA, Nationalism or whatever) represents something to you that can't be allowed to pass by and disappear. It's like this is the moment where you feel like you win or you die.

I don't get it. We're a prosperous nation. Life is good. Regardless of which political party could hold absolute power in the U.S. I think we'd be worse off than we are now. We've got a good thing going and I don't understand the desire to tear it apart because of any valid reason.

 
Lol he’s not going to prison. A big lol at anyone who thinks the people running this country would have an ex-President jailed. How that would look to the rest of the world. Never happening.
 
“Wow, Americans really are serious about protecting their democracy!” When they claim “no man is above the law”, they mean it!”
To those countries that hold that as an important aspect of politics sure. To others, particularly Russia and China, it would most likely be viewed as fractures in our political structure. Depends on the frame of reference of the observer, like everything else.
 
To those countries that hold that as an important aspect of politics sure. To others, particularly Russia and China, it would most likely be viewed as fractures in our political structure. Depends on the frame of reference of the observer, like everything else.
Yes, absolutely. But we expect our geopolitical adversaries to cast us in the worst light. Just like MAGA does. That said, I do understand that we may never put Trump in jail, even if convicted of any criminal offense.
 
Frankly I don't give a **** about how the other nations view us, we are still THE superpower and will be for decades to come unless the MAGA-assholes figure out a way to engage in true civil war. We need to do the right thing and put that piece of inhuman **** in jail. We have had enough of wannabe-despots running the country. Where the **** are all the people in politics that actually care anything at all about the country? We know past presidents and legislators and even SCJs have done things against their own political "side" because it was actually *gasp* the best thing for the country as a whole. Where are those guys any more? That has all disappeared now. No one is willing to go against the party at all any more. Hell I imagine it would take a true QANON level debacle to drive many of them from the party line, and even then they would try to defend it until the mutilated bodies of babies on the evening news became too overwhelming. I am disgusted with the state of politics in our country.
 
Putting Trump in jail just like any other citizen would be a great signal to the world that they don't have to settle for criminal autocrats running their country. He might get convicted for election tampering which would look even better.
 
Lol he’s not going to prison. A big lol at anyone who thinks the people running this country would have an ex-President jailed. How that would look to the rest of the world. Never happening.

How would it look to the rest of the world? (the rest of the world hated trump and thought he was an idiot for the most part btw)


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To those countries that hold that as an important aspect of politics sure. To others, particularly Russia and China, it would most likely be viewed as fractures in our political structure. Depends on the frame of reference of the observer, like everything else.

Im thinking january 6th and the fact that someome as corrupt and stupid as trump was elected president already gsve china and russia and the rest of the world the view of fractures in our political structure.
Holding him accountable for crimes might actually repair the negative light that we have been recently viewed in.


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