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Trump removed from 2024 ballot in Maine (this one is real)

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Yep.

@Al-O-Meter is a piece of **** waste of time. This board gains nothing by allowing this lying sack stick around. People have tried working with him. Tried arguing in good faith with him. He just exists to lie and spin. He’s a waste of time.
 
Trump is a tremendous POS but what Maine and Colorado have done feels extremely short-sighted and as if it’ll only martyr the man and incense his radical fanbase even more. Also, the legality of it all is very questionable. How much power should these idiots have that they can simply remove someone from a ballot? Is that the slippery slope we want to go down?
 
Keefe said:
Trump is a tremendous POS but what Maine and Colorado have done feels extremely short-sighted and as if it’ll only martyr the man and incense his radical fanbase even more. Also, the legality of it all is very questionable. How much power should these idiots have that they can simply remove someone from a ballot? Is that the slippery slope we want to go down?
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A. Trump can do whatever he wants then if we are worried about him being a martyr and worried about upsetting his base. Better drop all current indictments and never charge him with anything in the future no matter what he does as it might upset his base and make him a martyr. Also, you do realize that keeping trump on the ballot and him losing a fair election is only going to incense his radical fanbase even more since trump will definitely do a repeat of last time but probably take it even farther since he doesn't have any consequences in the scenario you want.

B. Can you provide an example of the slippery slope?

C. Wouldn't it also be a slippery slope to allow presidents to send in fake electors, pressure state officials to finding votes that dont exist, pressure the VP to not count the vote or simply count it in the favor of the losing candidate, lie about election fraud forever and ever, make stop the steal funds so he can steal from people, send angry mobs to attack the capitol in the hopes that it will shut down the electoral vote count and then sit around and watch and do nothing while the attack happens, say he would pardon the criminals, continue with the big lie, etc etc and then still be allowed to be president again? To me that is the slippery slope. If trump were to remain on the ballot and win the election then that sets a precedent that the president really can do whatever he wants with no consequences. Thats way worse than a horrible candidate not being on the ballot imo

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Keefe said:
Trump is a tremendous POS but what Maine and Colorado have done feels extremely short-sighted and as if it’ll only martyr the man and incense his radical fanbase even more. Also, the legality of it all is very questionable. How much power should these idiots have that they can simply remove someone from a ballot? Is that the slippery slope we want to go down?
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It’s literally their job to ensure that candidates on the ballot not be guilty of inciting insurrection. Why is this so controversial? If Obama or Clinton had done what Trump did, none of these clowns defending Trump would be defending Obama or Clinton. We all saw with our very eyes what Trump did following his November 2020 defeat.

If Trump is allowed to be on the ballot then he could win. He then could pardon himself and escape justice.

Now the argument is, then let’s have a trial. But we can’t, because Trump keeps delaying the trial. His hope is to choke out the clock so he can pardon himself/kill of the cases once he takes control of the DOJ.

This wouldn’t be a problem if:

1. Senate Republicans had fulfilled their duty. Instead, they didn’t want to tick off his base and lose the 2022 midterms (which they did anyway).
2. If GOP primary voters weren’t insane.
3. If a large segment of the population still had any trace of civic responsibility.
4. If enough Sec of State in key battleground states can leave him off the ballot. Which is required of them since enforcing the constitution should matter. If Trump is allowed to run then why shouldn’t Obama be allowed to run again? The same constitution that prevents Trump from being on the ballot because he incited an insurrection also prevents Obama from being on the ballot since he’s already served two terms. If the constitution doesn’t matter anymore then let’s be upfront and honest about it.

I don’t buy into the argument that his base will be emboldened if their candidate is left off the ballot. I find just the opposite. Appeasing these folks emboldens them. Appeasement is how fascists takeover. True Americans should stand up for their constitution.
 
@Keefe i think people like you are being played.

When Trump was president we couldn’t prosecute him because he was president. At least, that’s what Republicans said.

When he stopped being president, republicans told us to refrain from prosecuting him since he was out of office. Just let him go away and let’s move on.

But he refused to go away. Now that he’s back and we’re prosecuting him for the crimes he clearly committed (incited an insurrection, attempted to steal the election in GA, and kept documents in Florida) we’re told by Republicans that this is election interference.

But if he wins, he can and will commit judicial interference by killing the investigations against him.

Keeping him off the ballot is one of the few legal things our system provides to keep this wannabe autocrat and criminal out of power since his party has decided to do everything in their power to keep him in power and influence.

Don’t you see how you’re being played by the worst actors in America? These people don’t care about American rule and law. They merely care about keeping their boy in power.
 
The Thriller said:
It’s literally their job to ensure that candidates on the ballot not be guilty of inciting insurrection. Why is this so controversial? If Obama or Clinton had done what Trump did, none of these clowns defending Trump would be defending Obama or Clinton. We all saw with our very eyes what Trump did following his November 2020 defeat.

If Trump is allowed to be on the ballot then he could win. He then could pardon himself and escape justice.

Now the argument is, then let’s have a trial. But we can’t, because Trump keeps delaying the trial. His hope is to choke out the clock so he can pardon himself/kill of the cases once he takes control of the DOJ.

This wouldn’t be a problem if:

1. Senate Republicans had fulfilled their duty. Instead, they didn’t want to tick off his base and lose the 2022 midterms (which they did anyway).
2. If GOP primary voters weren’t insane.
3. If a large segment of the population still had any trace of civic responsibility.
4. If enough Sec of State in key battleground states can leave him off the ballot. Which is required of them since enforcing the constitution should matter. If Trump is allowed to run then why shouldn’t Obama be allowed to run again? The same constitution that prevents Trump from being on the ballot because he incited an insurrection also prevents Obama from being on the ballot since he’s already served two terms. If the constitution doesn’t matter anymore then let’s be upfront and honest about it.

I don’t buy into the argument that his base will be emboldened if their candidate is left off the ballot. I find just the opposite. Appeasing these folks emboldens them. Appeasement is how fascists takeover. True Americans should stand up for their constitution.
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Good post.
Especially the part about Obama and the very last paragraph.

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Ahead of Jan. 6, poll flashes warning signs about 2024 election aftermath

A USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll finds 52% of Trump supporters express "no confidence" in an accurate vote count in November. Would they accept a loss?
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The USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll found a 52% majority of Trump supporters said they had no confidence that the results of the 2024 election would be accurately counted and reported. Just 7% expressed high confidence that they would be.
In contrast, 81% of supporters of President Joe Biden were "very confident" about this year's election returns; just 3% were "not confident." Another 15% of Biden voters and 38% of Trump voters were "somewhat" confident
The findings spotlight the political schism and a deep skepticism among Trump supporters about whether this year's election results could be trusted and should be accepted − some of the same attitudes that in 2021 fueled the nation's most serious insurrection since the Civil War.

The view among most Trump supporters that the 2020 presidential election was "rigged" has persisted even after reviews by election officials and state legislatures across the country have consistently concluded that allegations of widespread miscounts, misconduct, stuffed ballot boxes and ineligible voters were without merit.

More than 60 cases brought by Trump and his allies seeking to overturn the results have been defeated in federal and state courts. Those decisions were handed down by Democratic-appointed and Republican-appointed judges alike, including federal judges who were appointed by Trump.

But in the poll, two-thirds (67%) of those supporting Trump said they didn't believe Biden had been legitimately elected in 2020, a debunked assertion that Trump has continued to trumpet at rallies and on social media. That view has little traction among other voters: 98% of those supporting Biden and 82% of those supporting a third party said he was legitimately elected.
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Supporters of Donald Trump − who generally accept his unsubstantiated claims that the 2020 election was fraudulent − are prepared to believe those allegations again in 2024, setting the stage for protests and worse if the former president runs and loses in November.
 
The Thriller said:
@Keefe i think people like you are being played.

When Trump was president we couldn’t prosecute him because he was president. At least, that’s what Republicans said.

When he stopped being president, republicans told us to refrain from prosecuting him since he was out of office. Just let him go away and let’s move on.

But he refused to go away. Now that he’s back and we’re prosecuting him for the crimes he clearly committed (incited an insurrection, attempted to steal the election in GA, and kept documents in Florida) we’re told by Republicans that this is election interference.

But if he wins, he can and will commit judicial interference by killing the investigations against him.

Keeping him off the ballot is one of the few legal things our system provides to keep this wannabe autocrat and criminal out of power since his party has decided to do everything in their power to keep him in power and influence.

Don’t you see how you’re being played by the worst actors in America? These people don’t care about American rule and law. They merely care about keeping their boy in power.
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I’m not sure why you say I’m being played. I never voted for him and I’m not voting for him.
 
Keefe said:
I’m not sure why you say I’m being played. I never voted for him and I’m not voting for him.
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But you are upset that some states are following the Constitution to keep him off the ballot.

Does it also upset you that Obama isn't being allowed on the ballot, or just that trump isn't being allowed?

I really liked this from the thriller: I don’t buy into the argument that his base will be emboldened if their candidate is left off the ballot. I find just the opposite. Appeasing these folks emboldens them. Appeasement is how fascists takeover. True Americans should stand up for their constitution.
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