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JJAS said:
So those of you who have seen JV play in full games, how does he lose the ball for TO's? Is it stuff like traveling, crappy passes, losing it in the post, or a combo. of some/all of these?
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Some of those were offensive fouls, some for some reason were credited to him after he failed to catch passes from guards ( in NBA it would be TO for passer but in FIBA they must give it to the last man who touched it ). TO in fact are not my concern about him, he commits silly fouls like trying to reach, rebounding over the back or setting screens... when he will learn how to stay out of trouble he will be just fine. His passing actually been very good.
 
AKMVP said:
Some of those were offensive fouls, some for some reason were credited to him after he failed to catch passes from guards ( in NBA it would be TO for passer but in FIBA they must give it to the last man who touched it ). TO in fact are not my concern about him, he commits silly fouls like trying to reach, rebounding over the back or setting screens... when he will learn how to stay out of trouble he will be just fine. His passing actually been very good.
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You should be concerned about his TOs; if he commits two in the NBA (which is much more likely than getting them from weaker competition at Eurobasket) as a rookie in his 10 minutes stints of playing, hell be riding the bench.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DkzWofJkZk&feature=player_embedded

here JV highlights from Germany game. Aybars, he had only 4 pts on those alley-oop dunks from Jasikevicius passes today, rest was his work in the post mostly vs Kaman, offensive rebounds and FT. And see how easy he blocks both Nowtizki and Kaman just with pure length. I see good thing coming for him in few years when he will add 10-15lbs of muscle. And idiot is right, mastering how to play pick and roll is mighty valuable in NBA, thats why I think Cavs are going to regret their pick as Irwing and JV would be killer combo on offense for them for years to come..
 
dalamon said:
You should be concerned about his TOs; if he commits two in the NBA (which is much more likely than getting them from weaker competition at Eurobasket) as a rookie in his 10 minutes stints of playing, hell be riding the bench.
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as I said what is TO in FIBA for catcher of the pass is TO for passer in NBA. I am not concerned, kid is only 19 year old, he will be just fine. He is good passer, not traveling, only thing he does sometimes is offensive fouls setting screens which can be mastered with more experience.
 
AKMVP said:
as I said what is TO in FIBA for catcher of the pass is TO for passer in NBA. I am not concerned, kid is only 19 year old, he will be just fine. He is good passer, not traveling, only thing he does sometimes is offensive fouls setting screens which can be mastered with more experience.
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How many of his turnovers where off of "misfired" passes?? Because to me it seems like you dont have an actual figure, and you're just pulling excuses out of your *** to explain his absolutely ABYSMAL Turnover rate. Keep in mind that age shouldnt mean much, seeing as if anyone KANTER should be the one commiting turnovers left and right, due to his lack of experience. I thought JV plays in the Euroleague? Something doesnt add up, why would he be more "excited" than Kanter? And PS Ive seen 2 Lithuania games, both of which had JV commiting travels..
 
dalamon said:
How many of his turnovers where off of "misfired" passes?? Because to me it seems like you dont have an actual figure, and you're just pulling excuses out of your *** to explain his absolutely ABYSMAL Turnover rate. Ive seen 2 Lithuania games, both of which had JV commiting travels..
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I would say in his game vs Poland he had at least 3 TO credited to him because of the bad passes. I probably missed his travels, but I'll take your word for that if you saw them. Again watching games TO do not jump as something bad in his play to me, it is his fouling which is bigger concern to me ( offensive foul counts as TO so there you go)
 
AKMVP said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DkzWofJkZk&feature=player_embedded

here JV highlights from Germany game. Aybars, he had only 4 pts on those alley-oop dunks from Jasikevicius passes today, rest was his work in the post mostly vs Kaman, offensive rebounds and FT. And see how easy he blocks both Nowtizki and Kaman just with pure length. I see good thing coming for him in few years when he will add 10-15lbs of muscle. And idiot is right, mastering how to play pick and roll is mighty valuable in NBA, thats why I think Cavs are going to regret their pick as Irwing and JV would be killer combo on offense for them for years to come..
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Yes, Jonas is a beast. 1st hook shot looked smooth as butter. Blocks were monstrous. Alley Oops were vicious.
 
AKMVP said:
I would say in his game vs Poland he had at least 3 TO credited to him because of the bad passes. I probably missed his travels, but I'll take your word for that if you saw them. Again watching games TO do not jump as something bad in his play to me, it is his fouling which is bigger concern to me ( offensive foul counts as TO so there you go)
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I hate to be a prick, but you never addressed the latter part of my post, seeing as I had a few questions for you
 
No denying JV was especially impressive today. He was scoring with legitimate post moves on Kaman, didn't think he had it in him. His length is a natural disruptor as well, just holding his arms up he was able to turn away Dirk and Kaman several times. Having said that, Im happy with the Kanter pick. They both played about equal in the tournament and Kanter was rusty from not playing organized ball for 1 and a half years.
 
dalamon said:
I thought JV plays in the Euroleague? Something doesnt add up, why would he be more "excited" than Kanter? A
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If this is your question then I did not feel like answering it as I never used "excited" as an excuse for his TO. Plus I think we can agree on one thing looking at Kanters and JV numbers. Jonas is more TO and foul prone, they both scoring and rebounding about the same but Jonas shooting much better FG, slightly better FT ( actually his regular FT % is over. 800 so I would call him better FT shooter then Kanter despite bad FT shooting in this tourney so far ), has more assists, steals and blocks. Maybe Kanter will get better at passing and shooting with time and JV gets less foul and TO prone. I think it is reasonable to expect that from both.
 
It's going to be very interesting to see when he reaches the NBA whether/to what extent JV's tremendous offensive efficiency is partly due to his team's play. Lithuania's team has 4 of the 8 top TS% players among players in the tourney receiving significant minutes. JV's ridiculous 72% is only 4th on his team. Does this all change once he no longer has the great efficiency/passing in the wings and guards opening things up for him? When the system he's in is no longer so obviously superior to other systems?
 
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