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Turkey's Operation Euphrates Shield and the Iraqi's Mosul offensive

NAOS said:
I hope the US doesn't stab the Kurds in the back. There needs to be a Kurdistan at the end of all of this.

I wonder how many allies have been abandoned since 1991?
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Why don't we give every one of these factions an acre per person and call them all by a different nationality? Would that soothe everyone? While we are at it, we can do the same with Southern Evangelicals, Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, JW, Amish, and the Polygamist sects.

Everyone needs there own nation. Nationists Unite!
 
franklin said:
Why don't we give every one of these factions an acre per person and call them all by a different nationality? Would that soothe everyone? While we are at it, we can do the same with Southern Evangelicals, Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, JW, Amish, and the Polygamist sects.

Everyone needs there own nation. Nationists Unite!
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I like this idea. I want my own nation. It shall be a nudist nation. Well, not me, because the king can't be naked like all of you peasants.

Please PM nude photos from every angle and a 1500 word essay of why you should be part of my nation.
 
Siro said:
I like this idea. I want my own nation. It shall be a nudist nation. Well, not me, because the king can't be naked like all of you peasants.

Please PM nude photos from every angle and a 1500 word essay of why you should be part of my nation.
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You can be king. I'll be the emperor with no clothes.
 
franklin said:
Why don't we give every one of these factions an acre per person and call them all by a different nationality? Would that soothe everyone? While we are at it, we can do the same with Southern Evangelicals, Baptists, Mormons, Catholics, JW, Amish, and the Polygamist sects.

Everyone needs there own nation. Nationists Unite!
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I'm so thankful you pointed out all the similarities between these groups and the Kurds in the middle east.

You sure set the record straight.
 
Stoked said:
I'm so thankful you pointed out all the similarities between these groups and the Kurds in the middle east.

You sure set the record straight.
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But let's just say the U.S. dissolved and there were factions within that claimed regional authority. Wouldn't the Baptists want their own, and the Evangelicals, and for sure the Mormons would claim a nice chunk out this way, then the Catholics in the north-east, some pockets of Jews, I don't know if JWs are concentrated enough in any specific place, Amish, etc.. I mean, whatever authority that could be found would be asserting it's own sovereignty, right?
 
Gameface said:
But let's just say the U.S. dissolved and there were factions within that claimed regional authority. Wouldn't the Baptists want their own, and the Evangelicals, and for sure the Mormons would claim a nice chunk out this way, then the Catholics in the north-east, some pockets of Jews, I don't know if JWs are concentrated enough in any specific place, Amish, etc.. I mean, whatever authority that could be found would be asserting it's own sovereignty, right?
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If America dissolved and it was wars and chaos everywhere? sure. Groups would try to rise in power and carve out their own territory. For a lot of reasons. Like survival and stability.

Like the Mormon church in the mountain west or baptists in the south.

But America isn't like that. At least not right now. Also the gov isn't alienating them through force and death. Like when Hussein gassed the Kurds or the current fighting with Turkey and Shi'ite and Sunni groups.

There is a book series about this. Author's last name is Sterling. One of his books is The Subrise Lands. The series starts well enough but turns to crap in the last couple of novels.
 
Gameface said:
But let's just say the U.S. dissolved and there were factions within that claimed regional authority. Wouldn't the Baptists want their own, and the Evangelicals, and for sure the Mormons would claim a nice chunk out this way, then the Catholics in the north-east, some pockets of Jews, I don't know if JWs are concentrated enough in any specific place, Amish, etc.. I mean, whatever authority that could be found would be asserting it's own sovereignty, right?
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Let's say the Mormons spoke their own language(Mormish), they had been living under near constant threat of extermination from both the government and their neighbors. They took up arms and secured the area which they lived in order to be to be able to live outside that threat(granted with the help of a no-fly zone). Over a period of 25 years they developed internal institutions and established foreign relations worldwide and in their own neighborhood. Let's say that while not perfect they had more tolerant policies and much less violence than the surrounding people in America. So in all this chaos you have a unique community with it's own language and heritage that seems to be building something that resembles a functioning modern state. Yeah, I think you may recognize them as a legitimate state.

The Kurds in Iraq have earned it to a much greater degree than recently recognized independent nations. If it weren't for Turkey being in NATO we would have recognized Kurdistan as an independent state already.
 
Maybe I'm nuts but I think that sooner or later Turkey decides that it wants to be the Germany of the middle east. They start a project similar to the European Economic Community(First step to the EU)and decide that they want Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan to be a part of it. Turkey recognizes them both as independent nations or perhaps one on the condition that they recognize Turkey's territorial sovereignty.
 
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Stoked said:
Turkey is now assisting Kurdish fighters in their push from the north down into Mosul with artillery fire. Despite direct objections from the Iraqi government. They have been training them there as well. SO they attack Kurds in Syria and help them in Iraq...

What a twisted up mess.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/24/...or-mosul-inflames-tension-with-iraq.html?_r=0
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Turkish opinion piece (opinions that don't toe the AKP line are dangerous in Turkey right now)

The North of Mosul and Aleppo should be handed over to Turkey
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ibrahimkaragul/the-north-of-mosul-and-aleppo-should-be-handed-over-to-turkey-2033704





Piece on Turkish nationalism and irredentism-Foreign Policy magazine

Turkey’s New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empire
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/23/turkeys-religious-nationalists-want-ottoman-borders-iraq-erdogan/?wp_login_redirect=0
 
♪alt13 said:
Turkish opinion piece (opinions that don't toe the AKP line are dangerous in Turkey right now)

The North of Mosul and Aleppo should be handed over to Turkey
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/ibrahimkaragul/the-north-of-mosul-and-aleppo-should-be-handed-over-to-turkey-2033704





Piece on Turkish nationalism and irredentism-Foreign Policy magazine

Turkey’s New Maps Are Reclaiming the Ottoman Empire
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/23/turkeys-religious-nationalists-want-ottoman-borders-iraq-erdogan/?wp_login_redirect=0
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I'll look into this later this afternoon. Thanks for the article. I find this stuff fascinating.
 
Stoked said:
Lmfao. It's not racist.
Are they both Kurds? If not explain the difference as I'd like to know.
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PYD is PKK 's structure in Syria. I know u guys see them as freedom fighters but they are called terrorists in Turkey.The dudes in Mousul are Barzani's militias. Those sides don't like each other much lately. Oil and politics..
 
addictionary said:
PYD is PKK 's structure in Syria. I know u guys see them as freedom fighters but they are called terrorists in Turkey.The dudes in Mousul are Barzani's militias. Those sides don't like each other much lately. Oil and politics..
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Yes they are separate groups. But over all it adds to the chaos IMO. Does give me hope that Turkey will accept a Kurdish state of the right people run it.
 
Looks like Turkey is getting ready to dramatically increase it's military presence and involvement in Iraq.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-tanks-military-vehicles-border-iraq-43214181

Turkey is gathering military forces along their border with Iraq.

Turkey as also warned Shia militias against joining the battle for Mosul. Shia militias are already en route to Mosul though. Turkey has said any atrocities by the militias will force Turkey to get even more involved.

Legit concern or is Turkey looking for an excuse to invade northern Iraq?
 
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