Two predictions re Hayward and the future of the team.

[jjscap]

What the hell is wrong with those post-whores ITT? I said Hayward is more suited for the 6th man role. Then a low-life shows up and call me names. I reported the post and will watch closely if any action is taken.

Yes, he sure would be better under a good coach. If you have so much talent on your team coaching matters even more.

 

[koala]

What I love about Hayward's game is that even on a bad bad shooting night like vs the Nets, he still has enough in his locker to make a positive impact on the game and the team (6asts, 3stls, 3blks). Off shooting nights happen, but the fact that he can still make a valuable contribution when he has had a subpar offensive night gives me confidence he can be an allstar calibre player for many years to come.

Hayward's game may not be appreciated by casual fans, but I can not see how anyone who follows the game closesly not be a fan of Gordon. It doesn't surprise me how so many coaches, players and ex-players rate his game so highly.

 

[fishonjazz]

I am really surprised by the results-oriented thinking of Jazz fans.. Hayward is the best player of the Jazz? Come on. As much as I love this kid, I don't think he can be a reliable starter at all. He is more suited for the 6th man role.
And right now Favors should be the best Jazz, though Kanter will probably surpass him next year.

So you criticize haywards consistency, and then say favors is the best player on the jazz?... talk about being inconsistent: Favors is good one game, then the next game fouls out and has a bunch of turnovers, then the next game is hitting free throws and jumpers, then the next game he cant make a shot and travels or commits an offensive foul every time he touches the ball.

Come on man, hayward is much more consistent than favors right now.

 

[jjscap]

You got a point there but the difference is Favors has not been tested as a starter until now. Start him, trust him, give 30+ mpg for about 20 games and then we'll have a better idea about his consistency. What makes me think he is the best player is the last year's playoff games. And check Utah's games against tougher opponents. You'll see Favors did much better than his teammates. I'm a bit worried about his lack of care at times, how hard he works off the court but talent-wise he is a an absolute beast.

 

[fishonjazz]

You got a point there but the difference is Favors has not been tested as a starter until now. Start him, trust him, give 30+ mpg for about 20 games and then we'll have a better idea about his consistency. What makes me think he is the best player is the last year's playoff games. And check Utah's games against tougher opponents. You'll see Favors did much better than his teammates. I'm a bit worried about his lack of care at times, how hard he works off the court but talent-wise he is a an absolute beast.

Good point about last year in the playoffs.

 

[b_line]

What the hell is wrong with those post-whores ITT? I said Hayward is more suited for the 6th man role. Then a low-life shows up and call me names. I reported the post and will watch closely if any action is taken.

Yes, he sure would be better under a good coach. If you have so much talent on your team coaching matters even more.

What are you talking about?

 

[Sandy Braille]

If you look at Hayward all around, he is probably is the best. He plays solid D, is a very good ball handler and passer, is an excellent shooter and is becoming increasingly more consistent with his shot, and is a good finisher. All he really needs is playing time and to add some strength, which he should be able to do, considering he is still very young. His lack of consistency, I think, has a lot to do with his minutes and the way Corbin has been using him -- Corbin sucks big time!

Hayward needs more playing time?!?!? Hahahahahahah!!!!!

Instead of playing him for the last 24 minutes of the half like we have been doing lately, lets just play him for the full 48. Maybe he'll somehow find consistency and strength-- and not succumb to injury.

 

[Sandy Braille]

PS: Hayward probably won't ever be an 'elite' player, but could very well become an all-star. It will predicate less on his performance, and moreso rely on how the Jazz is doing as a team within the next few years. If we lock up a 3rd seed in 2015 with Hayward averaging 16/5/4 @ 43% shooting and 41 3PP%, then I don't see how that doesn't equate to an all-star berth. Maybe we get a hold of a PG who overtakes much of Hayward's role in an offense, and he gets the all-star nod. Either way, Hayward is the type of player that every championship team has. The Jazz certainly won't be letting go of him anytime soon

 

[NAOS]

Hayward needs more playing time?!?!? Hahahahahahah!!!!!

Instead of playing him for the last 24 minutes of the half like we have been doing lately, lets just play him for the full 48. Maybe he'll somehow find consistency and strength-- and not succumb to injury.

Your interpretation of his post is pretty unkind.

Hay's minutes ARE down this year for absolutely no good reason. And, his role has changed a few times this season. Look at the minutes and role Paul George gets to play, for example.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Your interpretation of his post is pretty unkind.

Hay's minutes ARE down this year for absolutely no good reason. And, his role has changed a few times this season. Look at the minutes and role Paul George gets to play, for example.

Yeah, because Danny Granger has been out all season long. How many of those 37mpg would George get with a healthy Danny Granger over the course of the season? Hayward has to share backcourt minutes with players like Foye which help keep our Al-centric offense firing. Where the Jazz have Burks, Hayward, Carroll, Marvin, and Foye (all competent role players deserving of rotation minutes) Indiana is dealing with Gerald Green (a complete flop), Lance Stephenson, and Paul George for 96 wing minutes a game.

I think it's quiet obvious why George is getting a bulk of the minutes

 

[illyasova]

I do not think he's got all star material to be in ASG in the future but he's gonna be 3rd player who's really solid, versatile and smart one in a contender. As i said last year, his role must be not a set up shooter or isolations but a 6'8 point forward who has good court vision, dangerous in the open court and lives in the FT line with smartie moves. He's athletic enough to be good defender too. But i am not optimistic about his shooting touch, he's who he is. He's gonna be average and streaky shooter behind the arc in the future as well.

 

[Sandy Braille]

Look, I can understand the complaints behind the lack of consistency of minutes for some of our other young players. Namely Burks, and Kanter to a lesser extent.

But complaining about Hayward, a player who has thrived in every role that Ty has played him in, has averaged >25mpg ever since April of his rookie season, and saying that he doesn't get consistent minutes? and SOMEHOW this is leading to his LACK of strength? WTF?

 

[underKANTER]

I want Ilyasova and a draft where we get Glenn Robinson and Trey Burke.

Favors - Dalembert
Kanter - Evans
Ilyasova - Glenn Robinson III - Murphy
Hayward - Burks
Burke - Udrih - Burks - Tinsley

This would be one hell of a team!

Sign and Trade Millsap or Jefferson to Milwaukee for Ilyasova.

Trade the pick, maybe both picks and even a future first round pick if needed to get Burke.

Let all the veterans go.

 

[illyasova]

I want Ilyasova and a draft where we get Glenn Robinson and Trey Burke.

Favors - Dalembert
Kanter - Evans
Ilyasova - Glenn Robinson III - Murphy
Hayward - Burks
Burke - Udrih - Burks - Tinsley

This would be one hell of a team!

Sign and Trade Millsap or Jefferson to Milwaukee for Ilyasova.

Trade the pick, maybe both picks and even a future first round pick if needed to get Burke.

Let all the veterans go.

I do not understand why people can not understand that Ilyasova is PF not a SF. He just played SF in his rookie season but after that, he always played PF in national team, Barcelona and now for Bucks. He does not have neither ball handling nor lateral quickness to play small forward. He dropped 29 points and grabbed 14 reb against Thunder last night. If Skiles were fired earlier, his name would be mentioned even more. Ilyasova to Jazz is just dream for me. He would be damn dangerous in a p n r or p n p while spreading the floor behind the arc too. He's 8th in 3 points percentage now among the whole players.

 

[NAOS]

Look, I can understand the complaints behind the lack of consistency of minutes for some of our other young players. Namely Burks, and Kanter to a lesser extent.

But complaining about Hayward, a player who has thrived in every role that Ty has played him in, has averaged >25mpg ever since April of his rookie season, and saying that he doesn't get consistent minutes? and SOMEHOW this is leading to his LACK of strength? WTF?

Dear George,

So it sounds like your theory for Hay's reduced minutes this year goes something like this, "because we have a lot of other players we scraped off the heap, and they obviously need minutes." Well, it remains true that Hay could be averaging about 10 more min a game, and be having a greater positive impact than the minute sharing mess that has unfolded instead. It's not all about youth and the new page; it is also about performance plain-and-simple.

Now, let's apply these same principles to our nuclear sub: Favors.....................
What's he up to these days? Like, 22 min/game? Wowzers

I liked the spot where you seemed to imply that Jefferson was determining the broken form of our offense. Let's also talk more about this....................

 

[GVC]

Dear George,

So it sounds like your theory for Hay's reduced minutes this year goes something like this, "because we have a lot of other players we scraped off the heap, and they obviously need minutes." Well, it remains true that Hay could be averaging about 10 more min a game, and be having a greater positive impact than the minute sharing mess that has unfolded instead. It's not all about youth and the new page; it is also about performance plain-and-simple.

Now, let's apply these same principles to our nuclear sub: Favors.....................
What's he up to these days? Like, 22 min/game? Wowzers

I liked the spot where you seemed to imply that Jefferson was determining the broken form of our offense. Let's also talk more about this....................

Engaging Dalamon is roughly equivalent to engaging dutchjazzer. What's the ****ing point?

 

[underKANTER]

I do not understand why people can not understand that Ilyasova is PF not a SF. He just played SF in his rookie season but after that, he always played PF in national team, Barcelona and now for Bucks. He does not have neither ball handling nor lateral quickness to play small forward. He dropped 29 points and grabbed 14 reb against Thunder last night. If Skiles were fired earlier, his name would be mentioned even more. Ilyasova to Jazz is just dream for me. He would be damn dangerous in a p n r or p n p while spreading the floor behind the arc too. He's 8th in 3 points percentage now among the whole players.

He might be more of a four but he is too weak/thin to guard Big Forwards. He gets pushed around and destroyed by good PF's.

I know, he does not have the best quickness and ball handling but it seems decent at times.

In our system, I think he could play the three. He is a bad defender at both positions (PF/SF).
He is a poor man's Dirk Nowitzki that can give you 15 and 8 in 30 minutes per game. He is one of the best shooters and offensive rebounders this league can offer.

If he could improve his lateral quickness and ball handling, he could be a three. And he is not that bad at these things as you say. For a 6-10 guy, it's not bad. I think it could work. I have seen some flashes this year. He drives more to the basket than he used to. He is not just a spot up shooter. He has improved his ball handling. Don't get me wrong, he is not good at it but shows solid signs and more comfort at it.

 

[illyasova]

If he could improve his lateral quickness and ball handling, he could be a three. And he is not that bad at these things as you say.

But he could not improve it in 5 years in the NBA and he's already 26 years old so SF page for him was shut down years ago.

 

[NAOS]

Engaging Dalamon is roughly equivalent to engaging dutchjazzer. What's the ****ing point?

Do you wanna engage about Bolerhack yet? Or am I still the blowhard for analyzing anything about the experience of a jazz game (on a jazz message board) rather than only the "worthwhile stuff." BTW, who determines what's worthwhile?

 

[underKANTER]

But he could not improve it in 5 years in the NBA and he's already 26 years old so SF page for him was shut down years ago.

He drives more often to the basket this year and seems more comfortable at it than he used to.

He is more of a three than Millsap, imo.

I might be wrong. I haven't seen that many games of him but I have a mancrush on Larry Sanders.
I have been able to follow some games of the Bucks and Ilyasova looked very solid. I have been intrigued by his game and I believe that he could excel at the three in our system.