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[DasJazz]

Two non shooting bigs playing together doesn't work very well. Favors isn't a shooting big and no team out there is scared of favors shooting from the mid range even if he is good at it. Opponents would love for favors taking mid range shots to be more of a part of our offense.

I still think it could work in the limited minutes they would be on the floor. And if defenses want to sag off of Favors I think he's good enough to make them pay more often than not.

 

[One Brow]

You're right, Jokic, Jarrett Allen, 'Trez, Thomas Bryant, and more are not even functional.

The offered definition was "that he is functional and plays back-up center", regardless of any examples. I mean, by that definition, the much-maligned Tony Bradley is a functional backup center.

I mean, if you want to have a discussion on examples, we can. Which are your examples were a good backup as a rookie? I only asked for one.

Let's flip this around; who are the centers that took two or more years to develop into functional backups and we'll compare lists.

Firstly, "backup" was an addition by Handlogten's Heros.

I wasn't sure where to start, so I want to wikipedia and looked up the 2016 draft. Starting at 20, most were washes (as is typical for any position), but Zubac is an example of someone who seemed to improve after 3-4 years.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Any news on Udoka
How is he doing / what is timeline for return etc

His time table is about 3 years away from seeing any playing time.

 

[One Brow]

Well please go on and tell me what a functional backup center looks like then. I love when people use the “people I’ve it” argument and you do more than prove it and they are like “meh those guis is stoopid”.

Is there a section of JazzFanz for casuals or tweens cuz I think that might be the place for you. I ain’t wasting another brain cell on this argument.

A functional backup center should, at the very least, help his team more than he hurts it. If the team can (possibly somewhat less) successfully maintain the same style of defense and offense, or (less ideally) if they can change the game and dominate other backup centers, they are functional.

By the definition you gave, Tony Bradley was a functional back-up center. I agree that players of the caliber of Tony Bradly are easy to find, and would say that is true of any position. It's only at center they seem to find time, which is more of an indication of a lack of talent at that position, rather than an excess.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

A functional backup center should, at the very least, help his team more than he hurts it. If the team can (possibly somewhat less) successfully maintain the same style of defense and offense, or (less ideally) if they can change the game and dominate other backup centers, they are functional.

By the definition you gave, Tony Bradley was a functional back-up center. I agree that players of the caliber of Tony Bradly are easy to find, and would say that is true of any position. It's only at center they seem to find time, which is more of an indication of a lack of talent at that position, rather than an excess.

I never gave a definition of a functional backup... I gave examples... all of those guys were several tiers better than Tony ****ing Bradley. Tony isn't a functional backup... its why we paid someone to take his meager salary.

I get it though... when you are clearly wrong you throw some words in peoples mouths... set up a few straw men... move a few targets and then give it another go.

 

[One Brow]

I never gave a definition of a functional backup... I gave examples... all of those guys were several tiers better than Tony ****ing Bradley. Tony isn't a functional backup... its why we paid someone to take his meager salary.

I get it though... when you are clearly wrong you throw some words in peoples mouths... set up a few straw men... move a few targets and then give it another go.

Actually, I get the idea of knowing by example instead of knowing by definition. To be clear, did you offer all of these examples as people who didn't have a longish period of development, but were basically near the top of their game by, say, year 3? I wouldn't want to misconstrue you again.

BTW, you did just say someone who used an exact quote from you as "throw some words in peoples mouths". They weren't some words, they were your words, in direct response to my query. For someone trying to take the high ground in a discussion, that's not a good look.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Actually, I get the idea of knowing by example instead of knowing by definition. To be clear, did you offer all of these examples as people who didn't have a longish period of development, but were basically near the top of their game by, say, year 3? I wouldn't want to misconstrue you again.

BTW, you did just say someone who used an exact quote from you as "throw some words in peoples mouths". They weren't some words, they were your words, in direct response to my query. For someone trying to take the high ground in a discussion, that's not a good look.

They were all able to be average backup centers early in their career. Many continued to get better. Not sure they were/are near the top of their game. Jokic obviously has continued to get better exponentially.

The argument originally is that it is wise to take the time to develop a backup center and that centers take a long time to develop. Neither are true.

If Udoka was a good enough prospect that you are willing to use and develop him as a backup this year, then fine go ahead and take him. I would understand if you signed a stop gap option on a one year deal just in case. If he is good enough to one day be a solid starter... he should be good enough early in his career to function as an average backup.

Name me some centers that basically sat for 3 years and became solid starters? Not even trying to "trick" anyone here... genuinely curious and would like someone else to do some work here.

 

[homeytennis]

Jeff Withey starting in Korea.

 

[jom2003]

Name me some centers that basically sat for 3 years and became solid starters? Not even trying to "trick" anyone here... genuinely curious and would like someone else to do some work here.

Jermaine O'neil. Sat in Portland for four years then moved to Indiana and became an allstar.

Udoka would've been great if he was drafted by a team like Wizards or Nets. Would probably be inserted right into the starting lineup or see solid minutes off the bench. But Udoka situation here is very much similar to Jermaine's situation in Portland, it would require a move away from his original team to see any real PT.

Just a wasted opportunity for both himself and the Jazz.

 

[slc]

I'm still on the Udoka bandwagon
He is arguably biggest, strongest, fastest, most explosive seven footer in league right now,
plus he has incredible vice like hands.
Jazz already have good young prospects at every other position
DL must have some way in mind to use him

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jermaine O'neil. Sat in Portland for four years then moved to Indiana and became an allstar.

Udoka would've been great if he was drafted by a team like Wizards or Nets. Would probably be inserted right into the starting lineup or see solid minutes off the bench. But Udoka situation here is very much similar to Jermaine's situation in Portland, it would require a move away from his original team to see any real PT.

Just a wasted opportunity for both himself and the Jazz.

Solid... there are some differences obviously. He was straight out of high school so needed time to grow into his body. Could play him at 4/5 back in those days. Even he got more opportunity than Udoka was likely to get... if Udoka was healthy.

 

[infection]

Jeff Withey starting in Korea.

North or South?