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Utah Jazz 5 on 5 Roundtable

billyshelby said:
I actually think it's a typo. There's no way anyone as knowledgeable as Thorpe would characterize Millsap a slasher. Not sure who he meant, though. Maybe Miles.

There is an interesting takeaway from what he said, however. We're going to have more slashers getting minutes than shooters (and Harris can be factored into that). So it would be stunning if Ty isn't going to retrofit the offense with more pick and roll from the wings. If our wings are Hayward, CJ, Burks, and maybe Sap or AK, we should see an offense that looks a lot different than it has in the past. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does.
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If wings are handling the ball on PnRs, then the Jazz HAVE to find a PG that can spread the floor.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If wings are handling the ball on PnRs, then the Jazz HAVE to find a PG that can spread the floor.
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That's ideal, but not necessary. The beauty of well run PnR's is that they turn 10 man games into 4 man games. We never had great shooters, but Deron and Booze ran an incredibly effective PnR. So bringing out Sap and Al to run the same things with wings could work just as effectively. It's all about how players shift to enhance it. Ideally, you have a shooter in the near corner. But we can still run similar back cuts giving the driver an option, the screener an option, and then the screener having options to pass. What makes it work is having enough guys that can actually drive and beat their man. We just might have that in Hayward, Miles, and Burks. AK would even be good in that department. I would love to see that type of attacking offense.
 
billyshelby said:
That's ideal, but not necessary. The beauty of well run PnR's is that they turn 10 man games into 4 man games. We never had great shooters, but Deron and Booze ran an incredibly effective PnR. So bringing out Sap and Al to run the same things with wings could work just as effectively. It's all about how players shift to enhance it. Ideally, you have a shooter in the near corner. But we can still run similar back cuts giving the driver an option, the screener an option, and then the screener having options to pass. What makes it work is having enough guys that can actually drive and beat their man. We just might have that in Hayward, Miles, and Burks. AK would even be good in that department. I would love to see that type of attacking offense.
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That's the other problem, Millsap isn't great at setting picks and Jefferson is nothing short of awful at PnR (sets bad screens, rolls late, usually won't even finish a roll to the basket).
 
NUMBERICA said:
Who's obsessed? And what don't you get? The 22.3 PPG on good percentages (49/36/83), the 4.5 APG, that he was in the same class as Griffin in adjusted +/- (.8 less than Griffin, and 5 better than the next best player), that he has no weakness to his game, he has a very nice physical profile (6' 3.5" is perfectly fine when you have a 6' 9" wingspan and are very athletic) and that he's only 22 years old?

I don't get what people aren't obsessed with either. Wait...
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i agree, i dont know his stats but gordon is one of the guys who make difficult things seem easy to do, he is a very fluid guy and perfect scorer. Clippers have two franchise players in 2 very important spots. But we have a group of very good guys which arent franchise players yet.

In this case i think clippers is like lakers, have a kobe and shaq, and utah is like detroit with 5 allstar level players but none of them are kobe or shaq.

Who is better? that depends more on clippers who else they can team gordon and blake up with. Probably we arent gonna have another deron williams caliber player with this core, but if we find a good pg instead of harris, we can be contender for many years.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I wouldn't consider any of those guys slashers. Maybe I'm incorrect, but I always thought slashing (and being a slasher) was something done without the ball?
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Slashers are typically physical wing players who 'slash' to the hoop with the ball, or are fed the ball, with the intent to finish inside. Think Corey Magette, a young Tmac or Tyreke Evans. Lebron could be called a slasher. Shandon Anderson was considered a slasher.
 
orangello said:
Big hands are good for receiving the ball, just not getting rid of it. (As in shooting)
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I dont know how Leonard is going to do, but when you say players with large hands cant shoot; I would disagree. Only because of a guy named MICHAEL JORDAN. I dont know if you have heard of him. But he is the Greatest basketball player to ever play, known for his verticle jumping ability, shooting accuracy and LARGE HANDS.
 
I think the big hands thing is kind of an excuse. Yes, it may be harder to shoot with large hands, but I'm sure there are many people with huge hands who shoot just fine.

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Scotty-Hopson-1323/

Scotty Hopson has longer hands than Kahwi Leonard according to DX hand measurments (https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pr...=All&sort2=DESC&draft=&pos=&source=All&sort=8). They didn't measure width for some reason, but his hands are longer. He is considered a pretty good shooter.
 
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