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Utah Jazz Select Ace Bailey, Pick 5

Tre is way better (proven at least) shooter than Ace and seems to be much smarter on and off the court. But Ace has a clear advantage in physical ability. Ended giving Ace the slight edge, but it was super close. It will be interesting to see how their careers play out.
 
KqWIN said:
Tre is way better (proven at least) shooter than Ace and seems to be much smarter on and off the court. But Ace has a clear advantage in physical ability. Ended giving Ace the slight edge, but it was super close. It will be interesting to see how their careers play out.
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Lol thanks for introducing me to the ignore function.
 
FalseFlagg K said:
this dumbass agent about to get quietly crushed by Ainge and the league generally. Nobody is gonna deal with some dumb MF pretending to negotiate when he has little leverage or clue what he's doing.
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it seems to me he has plenty of leverage. if he just flat out refuses to come here, won't the jazz eventually be forced to trade him? how can they let a top-five pick just waste away? he may be flush with NIL cash, or able to get some nice loans against his future NBA income, to tide him over.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
it seems to me he has plenty of leverage. if he just flat out refuses to come here, won't the jazz eventually be forced to trade him? how can they let a top-five pick just waste away? he may be flush with NIL cash, or able to get some nice loans against his future NBA income, to tide him over.
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You seem to have a weird idea about what leverage is. Losing out on millions of dollars and damaging your reputation—just to play the same lottery again—doesn't sound like a good use of leverage; it sounds like losing.

There's also a very clear, bright line here—and I'm sure the jazz don't want to be the ones to have it crossed on them. There are a lot of good things to come out of the Player Empowerment Era, but I'm 100000% sure that owners don't want to see new entrants into the league steering their way to wherever they want to go. I'm sure the Jazz would let Ace burn himself to the ground before they'd be the first team to get stepped on like that.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
If you subtract all the drama from Ace, then it's hard for me to rank Tre very close to him. His defensive potential is >>>>>> than Tre's.
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Ya we will see. One went 5 and one went 6 in the draft so nba teams had them ranked kinda close. Maybe that was due to the drama and Ace would have went #2 without the drama or something. Idk.
Ace definitely has better defensive potential and tre was the much better shooter in college. I dont know much about win shares but Tre win shares was quite a bit higher.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
You seem to have a weird idea about what leverage is. Losing out on millions of dollars and damaging your reputation—just to play the same lottery again—doesn't sound like a good use of leverage; it sounds like losing.

There's also a very clear, bright line here—and I'm sure the jazz don't want to be the ones to have it crossed on them. There are a lot of good things to come out of the Player Empowerment Era, but I'm 100000% sure that owners don't want to see new entrants into the league steering their way to wherever they want to go. I'm sure the Jazz would let Ace burn himself to the ground before they'd be the first team to get stepped on like that.
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If he thinks he can get the Jazz to trade him before the season starts, he won't miss out on any money. I guess it could ding his reputation a bit, but how much really? Many established players have publicly forced their way off of teams and did it really hurt them all that much?

And the Jazz have already crossed a similar line several times before, when they traded Deron and Donovan supposedly because they thought they would not re-sign with the team. If it is true that Bailey doesn't want to be here, then I don't see how this situation is all that different from those two. And to think that NBA teams are going to circle the wagons in support of the Jazz? LOL, if any other teams think Bailey can play and be had at the disadvantage to the Jazz, they will be happy to make offers.

If Bailey told the Jazz straight up not to pick him and the Jazz ignored that, it seems plausible to me he could really try to force his way out.
 
KqWIN said:
Tre is way better (proven at least) shooter than Ace and seems to be much smarter on and off the court. But Ace has a clear advantage in physical ability. Ended giving Ace the slight edge, but it was super close. It will be interesting to see how their careers play out.
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that's about where i'm at - i gave ace the edge because he's bigger.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
i watched almost every rutgers game and was baffled at how bad he was those last several games. it was as if he forgot how to shoot. very weird. wasn't even making his signature "tough" shots. the only thing i noticed is that he played really well when Harper was out but when Harper came back he was horrible. almost as if Harper returning disrupted a rhythm he was in somehow. he was fine playing with Harper before Harper's injury, but it's as if he got comfortable without him and then just couldn't find it after Harper was back. I will say, Harper was never great about finding Bailey and helping him get good shots and get in a rhythm. and i could be completely off - sorta grasping at straws. it's something i thought about a lot while it was happening, and was baffled by it. as i said earlier i often asked myself if he just forgot how to shoot, if he had the yips or something.
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Maybe it was a Rodney Hood situation. A #2 emergency, if you will.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
If he thinks he can get the Jazz to trade him before the season starts, he won't miss out on any money. I guess it could ding his reputation a bit, but how much really? Many established players have publicly forced their way off of teams and did it really hurt them all that much?

And the Jazz have already crossed a similar line several times before, when they traded Deron and Donovan supposedly because they thought they would not re-sign with the team. If it is true that Bailey doesn't want to be here, then I don't see how this situation is all that different from those two. And to think that NBA teams are going to circle the wagons in support of the Jazz? LOL, if any other teams think Bailey can play and be had at the disadvantage to the Jazz, they will be happy to make offers.

If Bailey told the Jazz straight up not to pick him and the Jazz ignored that, it seems plausible to me he could really try to force his way out.
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100% this.
 
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