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mellow said:
So I know this is incredibly hypocritical of me....but where the freak are the fans? It was funny two years ago, it was understandable last year, but this year it is worrisome.

Sooner or later the Millers are gonna start noticing it where people like them notice things...in the pocketbook.
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Out goes Corbin, in comes Orangello

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oldtimer said:
What does Kanter have to do to get 30 mins. a game? In the second quarter the Cavs were literally sending three guys to stop him. He played great.
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This. I would only add, what does he have to do to start games against big line ups? Marvin is getting owned most nights.

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The Advanced Stats for this game:

[table="width: 700, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Players[/td]
[td]MIN[/td]
[td]OffRtg*[/td]
[td]DefRtg*[/td]
[td]NetRtg*[/td]
[td]ORTG**[/td]
[td]DRtg**[/td]
[td]NetRtg**[/td]
[td]AST%[/td]
[td]REB%[/td]
[td]TO Ratio[/td]
[td]eFG%[/td]
[td]TS%[/td]
[td]USG%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Hayward[/td]
[td]DNP[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Burke[/td]
[td]32.4[/td]
[td]96.6[/td]
[td]111.8[/td]
[td]-15.2[/td]
[td]111[/td]
[td]121[/td]
[td]-10[/td]
[td]37.5%[/td]
[td]3.6%[/td]
[td]8.5[/td]
[td]53.3%[/td]
[td]55.1%[/td]
[td]25.6%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Favors[/td]
[td]28.5[/td]
[td]94.7[/td]
[td]115.7[/td]
[td]-21.0[/td]
[td]94[/td]
[td]123[/td]
[td]-29[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]12.5%[/td]
[td]7.3[/td]
[td]45.5%[/td]
[td]47.0%[/td]
[td]22.5%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Burks[/td]
[td]33.4[/td]
[td]92.0[/td]
[td]116.1[/td]
[td]-24.1[/td]
[td]91[/td]
[td]125[/td]
[td]-34[/td]
[td]11.1%[/td]
[td]8.2%[/td]
[td]14.9[/td]
[td]50.0%[/td]
[td]53.1%[/td]
[td]24.9%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Kanter[/td]
[td]25.0[/td]
[td]117.9[/td]
[td]119.6[/td]
[td]-1.7[/td]
[td]131[/td]
[td]115[/td]
[td]16[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]24.4%[/td]
[td]0.0[/td]
[td]55.6%[/td]
[td]59.9%[/td]
[td]21.9%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Williams[/td]
[td]27.2[/td]
[td]103.5[/td]
[td]119.0[/td]
[td]-15.5[/td]
[td]53[/td]
[td]121[/td]
[td]-68[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]8.7%[/td]
[td]0.0[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]10.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Jefferson[/td]
[td]30.1[/td]
[td]96.6[/td]
[td]114.1[/td]
[td]-17.5[/td]
[td]122[/td]
[td]128[/td]
[td]-6[/td]
[td]26.7%[/td]
[td]1.9%[/td]
[td]10.4[/td]
[td]68.2%[/td]
[td]68.2%[/td]
[td]24.1%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Garett[/td]
[td]20.4[/td]
[td]119.7[/td]
[td]140.3[/td]
[td]-20.6[/td]
[td]99[/td]
[td]129[/td]
[td]-30[/td]
[td]29.4%[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]8.3[/td]
[td]41.7%[/td]
[td]41.7%[/td]
[td]15.8%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Rush[/td]
[td]17.9[/td]
[td]122.8[/td]
[td]135.5[/td]
[td]-12.8[/td]
[td]69[/td]
[td]123[/td]
[td]-54[/td]
[td]17.6%[/td]
[td]7.7%[/td]
[td]12.5[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]12.2%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Evans[/td]
[td]15.3[/td]
[td]115.6[/td]
[td]143.5[/td]
[td]-27.8[/td]
[td]181[/td]
[td]127[/td]
[td]54[/td]
[td]9.1%[/td]
[td]13.0%[/td]
[td]0.0[/td]
[td]100%[/td]
[td]87.2%[/td]
[td]10.3%[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

- Gordons injury was good for the tank but I would much rather see him on the court and one of the vets(or maybe both) taking a seat
- The defense was just terrible
- Love the USG% from Trey, Alec, Derrick, Enes and Marv; hate the % from RJ
- Good ASG% from Try but should have more AST doe
- What's up with D-Favs REB%? He is strugging the last five games(REB%: 12.1). And again no AST for Derrick.
- b2b not so great games for Alec. His raw numbers are looking good but he had a really bad impact. Nice thing is his 3FG% is improving(nov.:31%,dec.:39%,so far jan.:40%). If he just can get a reliable jumper he will be deadly!
- Enes is getting it together step by step but he is not over the hump yet. This TO Ratio looks really nice and his REB% the last 6 games was good.
- Marv I don't know where he was but definitly not on the court.
- Hate the fakt that the Starting PF, C and best big of the bench don't have any AST! Hate it!

FYI Enes and Favors were together on the floor for 5 minutes. In this time the team had an OffRtg of 97.6 and an DefRtg of 83.6. Which equas a NetRtg of 14.

* OffRtg, DefRtg and NetRtg: The number of points scored/allowed per 100 possessions by a team. For a player, it is the number of points per 100 possessions that the team scores/allows while that individual player is on the court. (From nba.com)
** ORtg and DRtg: For players it is points produced/allowed per 100 posessions (from basketball-reference.com)
 
Well
, many people with much better knowledge of basketball (scouts and GMs) have been watching Karl and John play for 4 seasons by the time they turned 22. And they decided that no way that these two could become stars. It was quite obvious to them that Wayman Tisdale, Jon Koncak and Benoit Benjamin would become the future star bigs and Lancaster Gordon and Leon Wood - future star guards.
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Exactly right doubledribble! This is why i have tried to discourage jazzfanz posters from having to much faith in tanking and what it could bring us. What seems to be conventional wisdom today changes drastically after the fact. So many examples like this that are just being ignored by the tank corps. They are blinded by the James, Jordan, Durant stories. Are we really willing to risk this franchises future for a longshot? Championship soon or die? Sadly the answer to this is "YES" to too many posters here that should know better.
 
Revolution 9 said:
If we got rid of Marvin, and RJ I'd be ok more with any result. Winning with these two guys is upsetting for the future.

Again we truly haven't turned this team over to the young guns. Trey gets the start, but there is zero competition. Burks gets more
playing time, but not enough. Marvin is finally easier on the stomach, but is he apart of our future? Why on earth is RJ even here?

I thought the plan was clear to start out the season. Play and develop the young guys, lose games most likely, and get the high pick to go with what would have been our seasoned core next year. Now its like lets play vets who probably won't be here next year, and win just enough games to not get a good lotto pick, and not make the playoffs? What the hell Jazz?!!? Dennis what exactly is your plan?
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What if he plans to re-sign them both? It wouldn't surprise me if they've already done some preliminary negotiations.
 
I don't think I it matters as long as you have a coach who is fighting for his coaching life.

RJ could have told DL weeks ago that he's going to bail at the end of this season for a contender. Corbin shouldn't let that affect his decision to play or not play RJ.

Corbin needs to do what is best for himself. Until the Jazz extend Corbin, he's going to do what is best for the short-term, long-term success be damned. If the Jazz were to extend Corbin a few years, I could see him diminishing vet PT in favor of the tank or long-term development of the young players.

I think some of us are asking Corbin to do the future HC of the Jazz favors. Tank and develop this young talent while destroying your own career. Then the new guy can step into an ideal situation while Corbin remains unemployed.
 
Primetime said:
FYI Enes and Favors were together on the floor for 5 minutes. In this time the team had an OffRtg of 97.6 and an DefRtg of 83.6. Which equas a NetRtg of 14.
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
I would be very surprised if this is true of RJ.
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I wouldn't. It's clear from his interviews that Lindsay REALLY likes RJ--on a personal level, if not strictly for his basketball ability. Granted his new contract will be much lower than his current one, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Jazz have plans to re-sign him.
 
Primetime said:
The Advanced Stats for this game:

[table="width: 700, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Players[/td]
[td]MIN[/td]
[td]OffRtg*[/td]
[td]DefRtg*[/td]
[td]NetRtg*[/td]
[td]ORTG**[/td]
[td]DRtg**[/td]
[td]NetRtg**[/td]
[td]AST%[/td]
[td]REB%[/td]
[td]TO Ratio[/td]
[td]eFG%[/td]
[td]TS%[/td]
[td]USG%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Hayward[/td]
[td]DNP[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Burke[/td]
[td]32.4[/td]
[td]96.6[/td]
[td]111.8[/td]
[td]-15.2[/td]
[td]111[/td]
[td]121[/td]
[td]-10[/td]
[td]37.5%[/td]
[td]3.6%[/td]
[td]8.5[/td]
[td]53.3%[/td]
[td]55.1%[/td]
[td]25.6%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Favors[/td]
[td]28.5[/td]
[td]94.7[/td]
[td]115.7[/td]
[td]-21.0[/td]
[td]94[/td]
[td]123[/td]
[td]-29[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]12.5%[/td]
[td]7.3[/td]
[td]45.5%[/td]
[td]47.0%[/td]
[td]22.5%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Burks[/td]
[td]33.4[/td]
[td]92.0[/td]
[td]116.1[/td]
[td]-24.1[/td]
[td]91[/td]
[td]125[/td]
[td]-34[/td]
[td]11.1%[/td]
[td]8.2%[/td]
[td]14.9[/td]
[td]50.0%[/td]
[td]53.1%[/td]
[td]24.9%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Kanter[/td]
[td]25.0[/td]
[td]117.9[/td]
[td]119.6[/td]
[td]-1.7[/td]
[td]131[/td]
[td]115[/td]
[td]16[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]24.4%[/td]
[td]0.0[/td]
[td]55.6%[/td]
[td]59.9%[/td]
[td]21.9%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Williams[/td]
[td]27.2[/td]
[td]103.5[/td]
[td]119.0[/td]
[td]-15.5[/td]
[td]53[/td]
[td]121[/td]
[td]-68[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]8.7%[/td]
[td]0.0[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]10.7%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Jefferson[/td]
[td]30.1[/td]
[td]96.6[/td]
[td]114.1[/td]
[td]-17.5[/td]
[td]122[/td]
[td]128[/td]
[td]-6[/td]
[td]26.7%[/td]
[td]1.9%[/td]
[td]10.4[/td]
[td]68.2%[/td]
[td]68.2%[/td]
[td]24.1%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Garett[/td]
[td]20.4[/td]
[td]119.7[/td]
[td]140.3[/td]
[td]-20.6[/td]
[td]99[/td]
[td]129[/td]
[td]-30[/td]
[td]29.4%[/td]
[td]0.0%[/td]
[td]8.3[/td]
[td]41.7%[/td]
[td]41.7%[/td]
[td]15.8%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Rush[/td]
[td]17.9[/td]
[td]122.8[/td]
[td]135.5[/td]
[td]-12.8[/td]
[td]69[/td]
[td]123[/td]
[td]-54[/td]
[td]17.6%[/td]
[td]7.7%[/td]
[td]12.5[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]25.0%[/td]
[td]12.2%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Evans[/td]
[td]15.3[/td]
[td]115.6[/td]
[td]143.5[/td]
[td]-27.8[/td]
[td]181[/td]
[td]127[/td]
[td]54[/td]
[td]9.1%[/td]
[td]13.0%[/td]
[td]0.0[/td]
[td]100%[/td]
[td]87.2%[/td]
[td]10.3%[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

- Gordons injury was good for the tank but I would much rather see him on the court and one of the vets(or maybe both) taking a seat
- The defense was just terrible
- Love the USG% from Trey, Alec, Derrick, Enes and Marv; hate the % from RJ
- Good ASG% from Try but should have more AST doe
- What's up with D-Favs REB%? He is strugging the last five games(REB%: 12.1). And again no AST for Derrick.
- b2b not so great games for Alec. His raw numbers are looking good but he had a really bad impact. Nice thing is his 3FG% is improving(nov.:31%,dec.:39%,so far jan.:40%). If he just can get a reliable jumper he will be deadly!
- Enes is getting it together step by step but he is not over the hump yet. This TO Ratio looks really nice and his REB% the last 6 games was good.
- Marv I don't know where he was but definitly not on the court.
- Hate the fakt that the Starting PF, C and best big of the bench don't have any AST! Hate it!

FYI Enes and Favors were together on the floor for 5 minutes. In this time the team had an OffRtg of 97.6 and an DefRtg of 83.6. Which equas a NetRtg of 14.

* OffRtg, DefRtg and NetRtg: The number of points scored/allowed per 100 possessions by a team. For a player, it is the number of points per 100 possessions that the team scores/allows while that individual player is on the court. (From nba.com)
** ORtg and DRtg: For players it is points produced/allowed per 100 posessions (from basketball-reference.com)
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I'm confused why you have the guy with the incredibly high eFG% highlighted in green but his high usage in red. Also, why isn't his high AST% highlighted in green?
 
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