Utah Jazz vs Timber Pups Game Thread (7pm)
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LoPo
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I don't know if its funny or sad, but cowards on here bashing on Lyles. Our TEAM played like trash. Nobody played well, but we want to bag on a guy who played 20 of 48 minutes.
As for Lyles, he's got talent. That's undeniable. And like many one and done players, he needs time on the court. He has to play to get better. 82 games doesn't allow much time for practice.
Favors went through a month stretch before the All Star game where he was borderline pathetic. He was highly ineffective. And he's been a pro for how long? Yet a young pro like Lyles gets little leeway. Favors has proven to come out of his slump. If Lyles got consistent minutes, he could do the same.
Unfortunately, its in our DNA to shelve talent, not nurture it properly and eventually regret not doing more with it : Deshaun Stevenson, Millsap, Kanter, CJ Miles, Carroll, and probably eventually Exum and Lyles. You gotta play the kids especially since we arent contenders.
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As for Lyles, he's got talent. That's undeniable. And like many one and done players, he needs time on the court. He has to play to get better. 82 games doesn't allow much time for practice.
Favors went through a month stretch before the All Star game where he was borderline pathetic. He was highly ineffective. And he's been a pro for how long? Yet a young pro like Lyles gets little leeway. Favors has proven to come out of his slump. If Lyles got consistent minutes, he could do the same.
Unfortunately, its in our DNA to shelve talent, not nurture it properly and eventually regret not doing more with it : Deshaun Stevenson, Millsap, Kanter, CJ Miles, Carroll, and probably eventually Exum and Lyles. You gotta play the kids especially since we arent contenders.
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Miggs
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One sequence of plays has stood out to me the last two nights.
Down 4 with under a minute left, Westbrook hits a huge three with a guy in his face. Then on the other end, Hayward gets an open three and bricks it. Great players make great plays in big moments. I don't think Hayward will be clutch in the playoffs. Hate me all you want. Throw out his crunch time stats. I don't care. I worry about him when it matters most.
And I'm now convinced we lose in the first round, home court or not. The Clips and OKC Westbrooks will beat us.
Down 4 with under a minute left, Westbrook hits a huge three with a guy in his face. Then on the other end, Hayward gets an open three and bricks it. Great players make great plays in big moments. I don't think Hayward will be clutch in the playoffs. Hate me all you want. Throw out his crunch time stats. I don't care. I worry about him when it matters most.
And I'm now convinced we lose in the first round, home court or not. The Clips and OKC Westbrooks will beat us.
Miggs
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Using these guys as examples is asinine.
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Yeah Dante is the same way. I think we forget what it was like being 19 though. And I'm pretty sure none of us had the expectations these kids have at that age. No doubt their confidence is like a rollercoaster and I'm not sure we can blame them.
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Yeah, or like when the hottest team in the NBA wizards were making a run and got close and Hayward hit back to back clutch shots to seal the game. Or like how LeBron down 4 against Boston missed a big shot after IT hit a big shot.
Miggs
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I'm not sure if this response is supposed to get a rise out of me. It doesn't. I acknowledged posters would bring up crunch time stats or in this case, the like. It still doesn't change my mind. Lebron, IT, Harden, Westbrook, they have a killer attitude and take games over when it matters. I don't see Hayward doing that enough in the playoffs to win a series.
Joncolton
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Minnesota is better than anyone realizes. There point differential is - 2. So, they are losing a lot of games by the smallest margin in the NBA.
In offensive rankings they are 16th right between Milwaukee and Charlotte. Defensively they are ranked 11th. They have all the earmarkings of being a playoff team.
They have arguably the best big man in the NBA, one of the league's best coaches, and they are starting to gel. They are basically where we were last year, they have a talented young roster with no depth.
But, keep in mind, they are the team that beat the GSW this time last year.
This year the T-Wolves have beat:
Raptors
Clippers
Hawks x 2
Bulls x 2
Mavericks
Thunder
Rockets
Grizzlies
They are no joke, especially on a back-to-back and after playing what was essentially a playoff (level intensity) game vs OKC the night before. They are 3 games out of the 8th spot, and are making a hard push to be in the playoffs.
In offensive rankings they are 16th right between Milwaukee and Charlotte. Defensively they are ranked 11th. They have all the earmarkings of being a playoff team.
They have arguably the best big man in the NBA, one of the league's best coaches, and they are starting to gel. They are basically where we were last year, they have a talented young roster with no depth.
But, keep in mind, they are the team that beat the GSW this time last year.
This year the T-Wolves have beat:
Raptors
Clippers
Hawks x 2
Bulls x 2
Mavericks
Thunder
Rockets
Grizzlies
They are no joke, especially on a back-to-back and after playing what was essentially a playoff (level intensity) game vs OKC the night before. They are 3 games out of the 8th spot, and are making a hard push to be in the playoffs.
I suppose you see what you want to see. I think stats support Haywards play. I dont think there is any such thing as a killer attitude on the court and there is no statistics to support that. Player hit their percentages over time.
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jjscap
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This was heartbreaking but I also expected it. As a betting man, I'm betting on underdogs in the NBA. Last night I picked two games below and would have added MIN too. But I avoid betting against my teams.
The reasons I expected the Jazz to lose: 1. schedule 2. UTA have a tendency to struggle after close defeats ala OKC. 3. MIN looked solid and focused their last game, in general they're much better with Lavine off. 4. G-Hill's mind is elsewhere probably because of contract talks and Hood was out.
Washington Wizards @ Toronto Raptors. Match Winner Including All OT : Washington Wizards. Odds: 2.66 . Result WON : 105:96
Denver Nuggets @ Milwaukee Bucks. Match Winner Including All OT : Denver Nuggets. Odds: 2.39 . Result WON: 110:98
The reasons I expected the Jazz to lose: 1. schedule 2. UTA have a tendency to struggle after close defeats ala OKC. 3. MIN looked solid and focused their last game, in general they're much better with Lavine off. 4. G-Hill's mind is elsewhere probably because of contract talks and Hood was out.
Washington Wizards @ Toronto Raptors. Match Winner Including All OT : Washington Wizards. Odds: 2.66 . Result WON : 105:96
Denver Nuggets @ Milwaukee Bucks. Match Winner Including All OT : Denver Nuggets. Odds: 2.39 . Result WON: 110:98
Every great player in the history of sports has failed in a "clutch" moment. No one is 100% on anything.
Hell that same night Lillard missed a technical free throw in the final 10 seconds of a 2 point game. After they got the ball back he did hit a layup to send it to OT, but if he would have hit the FT they would have won. Then they lost in OT. So even a great scorer/shooter is regarded as "clutch" can even miss something easy as a freaking FT in a big moment.