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Utah to pursue a S&T w/Chicago

If we can steal Taj Gibson away from the Bulls I hope he contends with Paul for the starting power forward, and if he beats him out I would love to see that of course then we trade Paul Millsap and sign Jeff Pendergraph and then now we have legitimate length at the 4 position and great defenders that can score and develop into stars in this league given the chance.

Then my dream is trade Millsap to Orlando for Marcin Gortat and trade our TPE from Matt Harpring to Portland for Joel Przybilla and let those two we just picked up in Gortat and Przybilla battle for the starting 5.

Gibson is really 6'9" and Pendergraph is 6'10" which is alot better then Millsap's 6'6". Not to forget we would add two legit 7 footers in Gortat and Przybilla. And not to just add length to add length but these player can actually play against the best in the league and did well in college or before the league.


Dream line-up

Williams/Price
Miles/Matthews
Kirilenko/Hayward
Gibson/Pendergraph/Koufos
Gortat/Przybilla/Okur


Gibson's deal doesn't expire for 3 more years, we could sign Pendergraph to a small contract for 4 or 5 years, Gortat's goes for 4 more, and Przybilla expires after this year and possible resign after Kirilenko expires also or Okur could come back more healthy.
 
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d@!!0n0rcutt said:
If we can steal Taj Gibson away from the Bulls I hope he contends with Paul for the starting power forward, and if he beats him out I would love to see that of course then we trade Paul Millsap and sign Jeff Pendergraph and then now we have legitimate length at the 4 position and great defenders that can score and develop into stars in this league given the chance.

Then my dream is trade Millsap to Portland for Joel Przybilla and trade our TPE from Matt Harpring to Orlando for Marcin Gortat and let those two we just picked up in Gortat and Przybilla battle for the starting 5.


Dream line-up

Williams/Price
Miles/Matthews
Kirilenko/Hayward
Gibson/Pendergraph/Koufos
Gortat/Przybilla/Okur
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Lottery here we come!
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
With Williams at the point to make all these players better, lottery won't happen.

DWill
Miles
AK
Millsap
Fes

This lineup has a way better shot at guaranteeing you for the lottery.
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Are you retarded? What have any of the guys in your trades done to show that they are worth their contracts?
 
I remember Taj Gibson fouling out with 0 points, 3 turnovers after only 12 minutes against the jazz earlier this year
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
Williams/Price
Miles/Matthews
Kirilenko/Hayward
Gibson/Pendergraph/Koufos
Gortat/Przybilla/Okur
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Not sure I understand this lineup. Is it to keep salary low during the lockout? Or get a good draft pick? Why start those guys ahead of Okur? Why Gibson or any of those guys over Millsap? I'm asking honestly here, is this a lineup to fill space and get a good draft pick?
 
prodigy said:
I remember Taj Gibson fouling out with 0 points, 3 turnovers after only 12 minutes against the jazz earlier this year
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...ok in his rookie season and he continued to get better once Gibson learned to play in this league, and if the Western Conference title runs through Lakerland I do not expect 6 feet 6 inch Paul Millsap to have great success against the three 7 footers of the Lakers, so tell me how we fair coming out of the West with all these teams getting better around us?

Just imagine for a second Paul Millsap going against Pau Gasol or Andrew Bynum, how the heck is Paul Millsap going to get a shot up anywhere near the basketball (jumpers all day)? So we need to really think about going in a different direction, Gibson and Pendergraph are two really long players that excelled in college and really never given the chance in the NBA, and they come relatively cheap to take a chance on.
 
I like Gibson's upside, but you really think he could beat out Millsap? Child please.
 
honz said:
I like Gibson's upside, but you really think he could beat out Millsap? Child please.
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...Gibson has played one season...Paul Millsap has played 4 season majority of the time having success against other teams bench players, and had one stretch where he started and was totally gassed at the end of it when it came playoff time.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
With Williams at the point to make all these players better, lottery won't happen.

DWill
Miles
AK
Millsap
Fes

This lineup has a way better shot at guaranteeing you for the lottery.
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Unfortunately the data differs with you. Oh, and so does watching the games.

These following lineups all outscored the opposition when they were on the court last regular season:
Williams-Matthews-Miles-Millsap-Fesenko
Williams-Matthews-Miles-Boozer-Okur [Notice that PM and KF do just fine without 'em]
Williams-Miles-Kirilenko-Millsap-Fesenko
Williams-Matthews-Korver-Millsap-Fesenko (Swap in Hayward for Korver as an equivalent)


This one was one of the worst, yet it was one that was used among the most:
Williams-Matthews-Kirilenko-Boozer-Okur
https://www.82games.com/0910/0910UTA2.HTM
 
"O'Connor did not indicate the Jazz were looking to receive anything more than a trade exception for Boozer. "You don't have to do that,'' O'Connor said of getting players or draft picks back from the Bulls although the Jazz would need to get something even if it is very minor such as the right to swap second-round picks. "Just get the trade exception. Why not? It would give you an asset.''

The Jazz will get salary-cap relief with Boozer's departure and more next summer when Kirilenko's $17.82 million comes off the books. But O'Connor said the Jazz plan to look for depth with the loss of Boozer and not just wait until next summer...He said the NBA salary cap going up to $58.044 million (about $2 million more than many projected) was not good for the Jazz.

"It hurts as a matter of fact because it gives other teams money,'' O'Connor said.

https://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/07/where-does-utah-go-after-boozer-exit/
 
InGameStrategy said:
Unfortunately the data differs with you. Oh, and so does watching the games.

These following lineups all outscored the opposition when they were on the court last regular season:
Williams-Matthews-Miles-Millsap-Fesenko
Williams-Matthews-Miles-Boozer-Okur [Notice that PM and KF do just fine without 'em]
Williams-Miles-Kirilenko-Millsap-Fesenko
Williams-Matthews-Korver-Millsap-Fesenko (Swap in Hayward for Korver as an equivalent)


This one was one of the worst, yet it was one that was used among the most:
Williams-Matthews-Kirilenko-Boozer-Okur
https://www.82games.com/0910/0910UTA2.HTM
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That whole theory doesn't take into account who was on the floor for the other team...of course the DWill-Miles-AK-Sap-Fes lineup was good against other teams bench players
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
That whole theory doesn't take into account who was on the floor for the other team...of course the DWill-Miles-AK-Sap-Fes lineup was good against other teams bench players
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. . . except that I deliberately excluded lineups where the backup PG was in the game, which is typically when the other team's bench players are most likely to be in the game.

And Fesenko--even with limited offense--demonstrated in the playoffs how he can form part of a net positive lineup by reducing points in the paint. Given that Fesenko also proved in the playoffs that he could start taking on more minutes, it is not unreasonable that he will continue to improve just by the game experience. (Hopefully he supplements that natural improvement with off-court development and self-discipline, too.) And Millsap scored points at a faster rate during the playoffs than Boozer--quite often alongside Boozer, which means that the opposing lineup was the same. If he's able to do that against Odom or Bynum, great. Boozer should be able to do it against Gasol--or Utah shouldn't have played two PFs together.

AK (if healthy) can take Millsap's place as backup PF while also playing starter or backup SF.

In any case, I was providing data where you provided none. It would be nice if the data were adjusted for the opposing team's lineup, but just like the summer league is an incomplete indicator, so is this data (or pretty much any data). Still better than pulling opinions out of your arse, because the bigger statistic is that Utah was slightly better off when Boozer was off the court than when he was on, while Millsap did the opposite--quite possibly against a lineup that wasn't all starters, but Millsap played a lot of minutes alongside Boozer also. The starters need to outscore the starters, and the backups or mixed lineups need to outscore their opposition, also. The lineups containing Boozer did not. And two years ago, when Millsap was a starter, they did. I think that Millsap has learned to manage his minutes (and wear-and-tear) a bit better, as evidenced by a lower PF rate.
 
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InGameStrategy said:
And Millsap scored points at a faster rate during the playoffs than Boozer--quite often alongside Boozer, which means that the opposing lineup was the same. If he's able to do that against Odom or Bynum, great. Boozer should be able to do it against Gasol--or Utah shouldn't have played two PFs together.

AK (if healthy) can take Millsap's place as backup PF while also playing starter or backup SF.

In any case, I was providing data where you provided none. It would be nice if the data were adjusted for the opposing team's lineup
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Just watch, Millsap will be game planned for and will be way less effective and will be a great example of Jason Maxiell or Craig Smith are great role/bench players because of their lack of size, and I really hope Paul proves me wrong but I am just scared going out there night in and night out with our starting power forward, in which this offense is focused around that position and point guard, Paul Millsap is barely as tall or little more tall than our teams shooting guards. Paul Millsap is only 6'7" at best! How can that not scare you?

Proof...check his measurements...

https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Paul-Millsap-299/
 
trade Gibson? because to get Boozer with the extra year and wouldn't have to give away such a big trade exception or draft picks.
 
d@!!0n0rcutt said:
If we can steal Taj Gibson away from the Bulls I hope he contends with Paul for the starting power forward, and if he beats him out I would love to see that of course then we trade Paul Millsap and sign Jeff Pendergraph and then now we have legitimate length at the 4 position and great defenders that can score and develop into stars in this league given the chance.

Then my dream is trade Millsap to Orlando for Marcin Gortat and trade our TPE from Matt Harpring to Portland for Joel Przybilla and let those two we just picked up in Gortat and Przybilla battle for the starting 5.

Gibson is really 6'9" and Pendergraph is 6'10" which is alot better then Millsap's 6'6". Not to forget we would add two legit 7 footers in Gortat and Przybilla. And not to just add length to add length but these player can actually play against the best in the league and did well in college or before the league.

Dream line-up

Williams/Price
Miles/Matthews
Kirilenko/Hayward
Gibson/Pendergraph/Koufos
Gortat/Przybilla/Okur


Gibson's deal doesn't expire for 3 more years, we could sign Pendergraph to a small contract for 4 or 5 years, Gortat's goes for 4 more, and Przybilla expires after this year and possible resign after Kirilenko expires also or Okur could come back more healthy.
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Good joke man. Even if you say you weren't joking, I'm still going to pretend that you were.
 
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