Utah's Illegal Immigrant List

[cowhide]

Are you suggesting amnesty? You liberal weenie who spits on the graves of the founding fathers and tramples all over the constitution. Off with his head!

The Founding Fathers only cared about white rich land owners.

 

[TroutBum]

LOL @ building a fence.

Why not ask Germany how well that worked out.

 

[TheMulletMutilator]

LOL @ building a fence.

Why not ask Germany how well that worked out.

Two way different examples. East Germany was trying to keep their citizens in and they were quite effective at that. There is no way you are going to have a 100% success rate. If we adopted Mexico's laws for illegal immigration then you would see a swift drop in illegal immigration. As for solving the problem; I like the ideas making it easier to do this legally and cheaper for that matter. I have no problem with people who are willing to come here and work while paying into the system like everyone else. I have a problem with those who do come over here and are given entitlements. I don't expect you guys to pay for my health insurance nor should I have to pay for yours. JMO

 

[freakazoid]

First, with the trillions of dollars spent accross the world you would think we could have spent a few hundred million and built a quality fence with checkpoints that would have solved the issue of harmful illegal immigration years ago. I realize this is a huge undertaking, however, with the amount of money we have committed to Iraq and Afganistan and the aid we have sent all over the world if we spent a fraction on this we would be able to pull it off.

Second, my fence comment aside, I think there is such a thing as harmful illegal immigration and unharmful illegal immigration. If someone comes to this country, obeys the rules, pays taxes, maintains health, car and other beneficial insurance, acts in responsible manner both in terms of behavior and finanically, and in general is not a drain on society I don't care where they are from, they are welcome here. In fact, I think they are an asset. In terms of harmfull illegal immigration, those that break the law, don't maintain health insurance and are a drain on society, I support deportation for those.

There is a solution for harmful illegal immigration. First, secure the borders. Second, create a guest worker program where they are given an orienation and continued training regarding what it takes to be a productive member of society. Create a registry for guest workers and mandate that they renew their "Guest Worker License" every year. If they break the law they get deported. If they don't maintain health and car insurance they get huge fines, etc. This would provide a way to manage the challenges that illegal immigration creates which is namely the drain on government and society resources if the people don't pay taxes and maintain insurance etc.

I also find it quite ironic that many of the people are acting in such an aggressive manner towards illegal aliens would consider Ronald Reagan to be a great president and in some cases a "hero". If they did some research they would find that Reagan actually had some very progressive policies and if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) actually granted amnesty in 1986 to illegal immigrants.

Good post. The guest program is a good idea, but in my experience, many illegals have been able to work here while appearing to be legitimate anyway.


Many years ago, I was living in SLC and working as a landscaper. I started as a teenager working with other locals, and watched as a few Mexicans(didn't consider them illegals at the time) worked their way into the mix. Within 5 years, I was the only English speaking employee. Back then I'll admit, I was very naive. Just the same, I was good friends with my boss, and I knew his paperwork was on the level, and he didn't mess around with the government when it came to taxes.

Every winter I would work doing snow removal, while the Mexicans would go back to Mexico to visit their families, not to return until spring. One year, one of our best workers didn't show up when he was supposed to, and after asking the other workers for a week or two, they finally admitted he had been caught by border patrol and sent back. This was the first time I realized that at least some of these people were here illegally. I was confused. At the time, we thought any Mexican who made it to Utah had to be legit. We thought of illegal aliens as people who came across the border, found jobs in California making minimum wage, and really didn't impact our lives at all. Instead, they were making about 9 or 10 dollars an hour just like me. The fact of the matter was they all had green cards and were getting taxes taken out of their checks just like everyone else. I guess it wasn't too hard to circumvent the system. I bring this up now, only because I think Realjazz makes a legitimate point about unharmful illegal immigration.

At this point in my life, I support tougher policies against illegal immigration, but I can't forget the fact that I was friends with many of these people in my past, and the ones I knew were here working their asses off and living as cheaply as possible, just so they could send money home to their families.

 

[DutchJazzer]

To me, why even give out this list in the first place?

Why not create and distribute a list of companies that are hiring illegal immigrants? Why a list of men, pregnant women, and children? Instead of making threatening phone calls, how about we boycott those businesses, demand that laws be enforced, and basically force businesses to abide by the law?
If businesses cannot employ illegally, and illegals cannot find jobs here, then they'll stop coming and go back to their own countries.

Instead of asking those of darker skin pigmentation to show their papers, why not ask businesses to show that they are employing legally?

I think both this list and the AZ law misses the point completely. We don't need to attack races or individuals with this issue. Attack the reason why they're coming here. Attack businesses that are breaking the law. Is it because Republicans want to come across as "tough against illegals" while still allowing their buddies in the private sector go about as business as usual?

It all seems pretty hypocritical to me. IF the AZ governor really wanted to get tough on illegal immigration, she'd crack down on AZ's private sector which is creating such a demand for illegals. Think about all those golf courses, construction companies, hotels, and restaurants that are breaking the law. Of course, perhaps some of them contribute the most to her campaign. Hypocrisy anyone?

She'd also create stricter laws for substance abuse while increasing funding of education and prevention.

But that's just my way of seeing things. What do you guys think?

In other words THEY TOOK our JEWB

 

[DutchJazzer]

First, with the trillions of dollars spent accross the world you would think we could have spent a few hundred million and built a quality fence with checkpoints that would have solved the issue of harmful illegal immigration years ago.

a fence can be climbed over be digged under and even go through it

so if these "illegals" make a 4 hour journy a fence will only prolong their journey for a couple of minutes or at most an hour hmmm nice solution there einstein. prolonging their journey will have less immigrants

you deserve the nobel price for something

 

[DutchJazzer]

I also find it quite ironic that many of the people are acting in such an aggressive manner towards illegal aliens would consider Ronald Reagan to be a great president and in some cases a "hero". If they did some research they would find that Reagan actually had some very progressive policies and if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) actually granted amnesty in 1986 to illegal immigrants.

also reagon can be considered an some sort of an anarchist.

using the word anarchist loosely. and i dont mean anarachis as in jokers anarchy. but the good form of anarchism

 

[freakazoid]

Good point, Dutch.

I've got a better idea. We should build a railroad across the border, and promise them citizenship when they arrive.

After they get here, instead of welcoming them to the country, we'll just put them on a return train back into the Mexico.

Suckas.

 

[Realjazz]

a fence can be climbed over be digged under and even go through it

so if these "illegals" make a 4 hour journy a fence will only prolong their journey for a couple of minutes or at most an hour hmmm nice solution there einstein. prolonging their journey will have less immigrants

you deserve the nobel price for something

As I mentioned a high tech wall with check points, not some chain link fence. Trust me, if we were serious about it could be a major deterrent. The point is to make it easier to enter the country legally rather than illegally.

 

[Gameface]

It seems everyone is taking for granted that the problem is that people are here illegally and that our immigrations system is proper, just needs to be enforced better. I wonder how/why many of you came to that conclusion? That's not the conclusion I've come to, at all.

I still wonder why people think that it is enforcement of our current policy that needs to be addressed and not the policy itself. To whomever gave me a neg rep and called me a hack, I invite your response most of all.

If we expanded our legal immigration quota we would have more people here following the laws, paying taxes, not being a burden. So why no go that route?

How is it that we as a population "own" opportunity and basic liberty? I have a very hard time turning a human being away who wants to flee injustice and live in peace and liberty.

I think a huge reason people have a problem with overwhelming immigration is our unjust social entitlement programs. Of course I want these unjust programs eliminated (food stamps and welfare type programs). That way anyone who comes here would be doing so with the understanding that they would need to stand on their own two feet. That's how you make sure the "right" kind of people are coming in, not a damn fence. Give me a ****ing break with that ****.

 

[freakazoid]

To whomever gave me a neg rep and called me a hack, I invite your response most of all.

Sorry, dude, this made me crack up.

Do you really not know the "hack" guy? hint = shorty

Serious.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Good point, Dutch.

I've got a better idea. We should build a railroad across the border, and promise them citizenship when they arrive.

After they get here, instead of welcoming them to the country, we'll just put them on a return train back into the Mexico.

Suckas.

seriously how long does it take to climb a fence. or dig under it. the fences the us builds can even be CUT through with some sort of cutter?

woudl you rather spent your money on a solution that clearly doesnt work?