Utah's Illegal Immigrant List

[The-Joker]

Maybe because most illegals are Hispanic? ****, it doesn't take a sirkicky to know that either.

Well technically. But it's deeper than that. It's more than controlling the supply and demand for workers sitting outside the Home Depot.

There was concern I believe in World warII (if I'm not completely offbase) that our enemies in Europe would use the weak/non-existent government and visa laws in Mexico to invade the US from the South. This is a concern for our weak borders, because our enemies now who cannot make it into the US through the US can go through Mexico.

That's the only valid non-racist opinion I think anyone can provide for strict borders. Doesn't really explain the mass deportation though.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Well technically. But it's deeper than that. It's more than controlling the supply and demand for workers sitting outside the Home Depot.

There was concern I believe in World warII (if I'm not completely offbase) that our enemies in Europe would use the weak/non-existent government and visa laws in Mexico to invade the US from the South. This is a concern for our weak borders, because our enemies now who cannot make it into the US through the US can go through Mexico.

That's the only valid non-racist opinion I think anyone can provide for strict borders. Doesn't really explain the mass deportation though.

I'm not sure if this was ever really a threat in WW II.

But it surely was in WW I. One of the main driving points for getting us into the war was when we were given a telegram a few months before we entered the war. Germany told Mexico that it would help recover all the lands it had lost against us if it joined the Axis cause and declared war on the US of A.

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/zimmermann/

In January of 1917, British cryptographers deciphered a telegram from German Foreign Minister Arthur Zimmermann to the German Minister to Mexico, von Eckhardt, offering United States territory to Mexico in return for joining the German cause. This message helped draw the United States into the war and thus changed the course of history. The telegram had such an impact on American opinion that, according to David Kahn, author of The Codebreakers, "No other single cryptanalysis has had such enormous consequences." It is his opinion that "never before or since has so much turned upon the solution of a secret message." In an effort to protect their intelligence from detection and to capitalize on growing anti-German sentiment in the United States, the British waited until February 24 to present the telegram to Woodrow Wilson. The American press published news of the telegram on March 1. On April 6, 1917, the United States Congress formally declared war on Germany and its allies.

 

[Jazzfannut83]

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants per se..just a way to reduce the number of annoying bandwagon Laker fans

 

[Safetydan]

It's simple,
1.) Strengthen the border, making it harder for people to make it here illegally.
2.) Make the legal immigration process a little easier, for those who obviously qualify.
3.) Attack the businesses (all of them) who hire Illegal immigrants, no jobs? no reason to be here. they'll make their way back eventually.

why make everything so hard? it's total bol ****

Why not enforce the illegal immigration law first to those who are breaking it? If there were no illegals, no one could hire them. That's where I would start.

If there was an effective way to do it, while not potentially infringing upon the rights of people who happen to be here legally, I think we should too. As of today, I haven't seen of or heard of such a plan.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Why not enforce the illegal immigration law first to those who are breaking it? If there were no illegals, no one could hire them. That's where I would start.

I don't think that's nearly as realistic or effective as attacking businesses. I mean, you may spend months tracking down an individual illegal immigrant. Why not spend that time to crack down on a business that is hiring many?

The last two years have seen the greatest drop in immigration to the US in decades. Why is that I wonder?

Whether it's religion, economics, or politics, PREVENTION is the best medicine. I don't understand why the same people that want us to drill here domestically in order to stop making arabs rich don't do the same thing in this situation. Their theory is that if we eliminate the demand for foreign oil (because our domestic oil drilling will provide for our needs) then we'll be less beholding to them. Yet, for some reason, the same people who preach energy independence tend to overlook or forget that if we lower or eliminate the demand for illegals, then immigration will fall.

Besides, it's simple conservative Adam Smith economics here, SUPPLY and DEMAND. Eliminate the demand for illegals and the supply will drop (as we've seen the past few years). Eliminating the supply isn't nearly as effective as limiting the demand (which is what enforcement has focused on for decades).

It is my opinion that Arizona lawmakers really don't want to crack down on illegal immigration. They don't want to see a fall in campaign contributions. Yes, they'll make a lot of smoke and wrap themselves up with the American flag with this law that they passed. They'll get the votes from the sheep.

But they are doing so knowing that the law won't make a significant dent in illegal immigration. They know that it won't even come close to solving the problem. They know that there are far better and effective solutions out there.

But those solutions include biting the hand that feeds them.

Great day for being a politician in AZ. You gain votes from people thinking that you are tough against illegal immigration. Yet you keep getting money from businesses that are breaking the law. Best of both worlds.

 

[sirkickyass]

It has nothing to do with making the process "easier." The legal immigration cap is obviously too low.

Legal immigration Visas are completely allocated on the first day they become available. That's not an issue of making it easier to navigate the process. If it was about ease of access then some Visas would go unallocated.

Some of this is about priorities. There are special mechanisms that allow certain individuals to come to the U.S. easily. For instance, Yao Ming didn't have any immigration problems.

Some of it is about election politics. It's difficult to propose, especially as a Republican, an increase in the cap on legal Visas because you will be portrayed in your next primary as soft on immigration.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't think that's nearly as realistic of effective as attacking businesses. I mean, you may spend months tracking down an individual illegal immigrant. Why not spend that time to crack down on a business that is hiring many?

The last two years have seen the greatest drop in immigration to the US in decades. Why is that I wonder?

Whether it's religion, economics, or politics, PREVENTION is the best medicine.

Besides, it's simple conservative Adam Smith economics here, SUPPLY and DEMAND. Eliminate the demand for illegals and the supply will drop (as we've seen the past few years). Eliminating the supply isn't nearly as effective as limiting the demand (which is what enforcement has focused on for decades).

I too, think that would be a great plan to go after business and probably the most realistic and effective legal way. Here's an interesting thought, how many illegals could you find in one day if you tried? Honestly, I could find hundreds of them at their jobs, residences, and stores. Yeah, I might point out a few that are here legally, but in a simple world, that would be a pretty effective way to filter out the illegals, right? (Yes, I understand a method like that will never happen.)

 

[One Brow]

Completely agree. And given some of the information on the list it's apparent that it was obtained illegally. I mean, the due dates of pregnant women? That violates HIPPA at a minimum.

Not to mention it probably violates the Health Information Portability and Acountability Act, or HIPAA.

Sorry, you are usually so up on these things, I couldn't resist.

 

[Deleted member 365]

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants per se..just a way to reduce the number of annoying bandwagon Laker fans

I agree.

Did anyone see this punkass laker fan get wasted after game 3? He was talking trash and trying to start something. A group of jazz fans took him up on that offer and took him out. What an idiot.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It has nothing to do with making the process "easier." The legal immigration cap is obviously too low.

Legal immigration Visas are completely allocated on the first day they become available. That's not an issue of making it easier to navigate the process. If it was about ease of access then some Visas would go unallocated.

Some of this is about priorities. There are special mechanisms that allow certain individuals to come to the U.S. easily. For instance, Yao Ming didn't have any immigration problems.

Some of it is about election politics. It's difficult to propose, especially as a Republican, an increase in the cap on legal Visas because you will be portrayed in your next primary as soft on immigration.

Are you suggesting amnesty? You liberal weenie who spits on the graves of the founding fathers and tramples all over the constitution. Off with his head!

 

[sirkickyass]

Not to mention it probably violates the Health Information Portability and Acountability Act, or HIPAA.

Sorry, you are usually so up on these things, I couldn't resist.

Yeah, this is what I get for thinking about it phonetically rather than looking up the actual name of the law again.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I too, think that would be a great plan to go after business and probably the most realistic and effective legal way. Here's an interesting thought, how many illegals could you find in one day if you tried? Honestly, I could find hundreds of them at their jobs, residences, and stores. Yeah, I might point out a few that are here legally, but in a simple world, that would be a pretty effective way to filter out the illegals, right? (Yes, I understand a method like that will never happen.)

The problem is, after you deport those hundreds, they'll be right back in 2 weeks employed by the same businesses that continue to break the law.

Crack down on the businesses and illegal immigrants go down.