Utah's long journey to relevance

[Ron Mexico]

If jazz trade Hayward for picks we will be in the lottery for at least 2 more years. The jazz can't afford that. The casual fan will not be going to games. We are going to get healthy and be fine. We might make some trades but we don't need to. We simply need to build for the playoffs in free agency next if season. Jazz didn't do that this year because they wanted to see what we have.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Are teh Jazz doomed to trading their best players after 6 or 7 years because the fan base is insecure that anyone will re-sign with us in UFA?

 

[akirac73]

Are teh Jazz doomed to trading their best players after 6 or 7 years because the fan base is insecure that anyone will re-sign with us in UFA?

If trades were conducted by fan bases, no player would ever make it through entire season with one team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Are teh Jazz doomed to trading their best players after 6 or 7 years because the fan base is insecure that anyone will re-sign with us in UFA?

Nah the rules favor us much more with a guy like Hayward. If it was Durant or a megastar I could see them passing on the extra year but a borderline all star can't pass on that dough. We still control things. I'd trade Hayward if it was a robbery, which could be on the table based on a theory windhorst had on the Lowe post, but short of that I'd pass and look to improve the parts around the main pieces. The theory windhorst had is that there are no sellers and teams building up treasure troves of assets. If Boston offered 4 first rounders for Winslow would they offer the Bkn pick plus a couple others?

 

[ijazz]

Are teh Jazz doomed to trading their best players after 6 or 7 years because the fan base is insecure that anyone will re-sign with us in UFA?

To a degree.

In Haywards case I think he has no issue with Utah other than his next contract will be the prime of his career and I assume he wants to win

 

[Spaniard]

I agree with PG_AB. I'm down for another 6 yr rebuild. Just keep Rudy, Exum and Hood.

 

[♪alt13]

Let's say the salary cap is 108,000,000 in 2018 like it's projected right now.

Hayward signing a max with us would get a 5 year/$186 million dollar deal (!!!)
Hayward signing a max with anybody else would get a 4 year/$137 million dollar deal

He would be leaving a guaranteed year and $49 million on the table

*rough quick estimates. Point is he'd be leaving a lot on the table

You're forgetting his player option(Thanx MJ). Why would he play an extra season at 16 million if he doesn't have to? He won't.

Does he sign a five year deal with Utah in 2017 at 30%?

Does he sign a 4 year deal here or somewhere else with a player option in the 3rd year at which point he would be eligible for 5 year 35%?

Does he sign somewhere else with a player option after the first season at which point that team could offer him 5 year 30%?

And perhaps the question we should be asking is should the Jazz pay G-time 30% of team salary in the first place? Favors is going to want real money next time around and you know Rudy won't settle for less than max. That's potentially 85% of the cap before paying anyone other than those 3, yikes.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Are teh Jazz doomed to trading their best players after 6 or 7 years because the fan base is insecure that anyone will re-sign with us in UFA?

If the team is good, I think that changes things both for Hayward and the more reasonable in the fanbase. There's no way around it, Hayward has been slogging through a crap era of the Utah Jazz.

 

[♪alt13]

Are teh Jazz doomed to trading their best players after 6 or 7 years because the fan base is insecure that anyone will re-sign with us in UFA?

Not if we're winning. These dudes are competitive. We can hold onto our guy if we're winning. There are only a handful of franchises that can lose and keep their stud.

 

[da ThRONe]

You're forgetting his player option(Thanx MJ). Why would he play an extra season at 16 million if he doesn't have to? He won't.

Does he sign a five year deal with Utah in 2017 at 30%?

Does he sign a 4 year deal here or somewhere else with a player option in the 3rd year at which point he would be eligible for 5 year 35%?

Does he sign somewhere else with a player option after the first season at which point that team could offer him 5 year 30%?

And perhaps the question we should be asking is should the Jazz pay G-time 30% of team salary in the first place? Favors is going to want real money next time around and you know Rudy won't settle for less than max. That's potentially 85% of the cap before paying anyone other than those 3, yikes.

To say that the idea to sell on Hayward right now is a sign of weakness is a narrow way to view this situation. Any smart person has to access all factors. When your team has this much of it's core due significant pay raises and isn't even a lock for a playoff spot it's a tough decision.

 

[vegas]

Money is not the only factor for a few select players. Consider Stockton making $7 mil while Karl made $19. In 2014 Miami had 3 players over $18 mil, the spurs didn't have anybody over $12 mil. This year Duncan only makes $5 mil. Contrast that with the Kobe mentality.

The Jazz know they will have to get some people on a discount. I think Favors knew he could get more money elsewhere, for example.

 

[♪alt13]

To say that the idea to sell on Hayward right now is a sign of weakness is a narrow way to view this situation. Any smart person has to access all factors. When your team has this much of it's core due significant pay raises and isn't even a lock for a playoff spot it's a tough decision.

We shouldn't have waited til the end of Favs/Hayward rookie deals to rebuild. We shouldn't have lost Sap and Al for nothing. We can't afford our players going forward and they are fighting for the 8th seed. If we wait to sell their value will be diminished. We should sell now and rebuild the right way with assets. If we wait we risk being in the same position in with Rudy/Hood in 6 years as we are with G-time/Favs now.