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NAOS said:
^Should automatically put HH in the 100 rep club. Spot teh **** On.
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I'd say we are baking our way to the middle of the good teams, not lower middle. But yes the Jazz need to bring in someone to push this team into contender.

Other than that good post.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I don't see that at all. maggs was jacked and explosive. In the 30 seconds I watched, this guy looked like neither.
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Duke Listed Maggette at 6'6" and 218lbs, Cal Lists Brown at 6'7" 225lbs.. He's got a near 40" vertical for sure. He's a monstrously strong wing player for a freshman.. In those highlights defenders are falling all over the place around him.
 
Stoked said:
I'd say we are baking our way to the middle of the good teams, not lower middle. But yes the Jazz need to bring in someone to push this team into contender.

Other than that good post.
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I was reflecting more current position versus future position... Also used whether instead of weather... I need to sleep more.
 
We are at a crossroads right now. Management's job has been made exponentially more difficult by injuries, but they've also had some misses along the way. A 5 year max for Gtime last year looks amazing right now.

I'm not saying we need to move G, but we need to pick a direction and move more towards it earnestly. Hayward's window is different than Rudy, Rodney, and Dante's and the overlapping contracts they will need and timing of when they need them may make trading Gordon the smart thing to do. This season was not supposed to be like this... this sucks.
 
I love Hayward & think he would make a great #2 on a championship caliber team, but we will never win a title without a true #1. Losing Hayward for nothing is a risk this franchise can't afford to take & the only way we're getting that missing star player is thru the draft.

If Boston would trade BKN's 1st rd pick for Hayward, I think we have to seriously consider it. It's unfortunate, but due to all of the injuries, this season has somewhat forced our hand.
 
I think the Jazz would have to blow expectations out of the water next season for Hayward to stay. If I were him I'd leave for a team where the vision of success wasn't so vague.
 
Favors has my respect. I think he's the Jazz' best player. Wouldn't trade him. I think Hayward needs to be dealt. No way should Utah pay him 5/$150M. And that's the only leverage they'd have to keep him. Those comments make him seem he has one foot out the door already. He's not a franchise player, not a #1 option, but he wants to be paid like one. If Jazz could get 2 lottery picks for him, pull the trigger.
 
Gameface said:
I think there are a bunch of fans, many of them here, who want to watch rebuilds, speculate on recruits, dream up trades, etc., more than they want to watch their team play to win.
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You can tell these people because they're constantly posting in threads like this one, but when they show up in a game thread once in a while, the post starts with "Didn't catch the game tonight, but..."

Hence people who want to trade players still on a rookie contract because apparently, if a player isn't a franchise cornerstone by the age of 24, you should trade him for picks. People who clamor for more draft picks because the draft 2 years from now is always full of players better than the ones we drafted this year. Naturally, 2 years from now, the sequence will repeat. People who talk about how we're never going to win a championship with a certain player, as if we're on the cusp of winning one. We have yet to make the playoffs, but people are talking about what needs to be done to win a freaking championship.

It's all a video game to them. Just enjoy the present, enjoy the team we have, hope they do well. Hayward's only a year older than the Claw, 2 years younger than Curry, and the same freaking age as John Stockton when he was finally given the starting position. And people are talking about how this is as good as it gets and we need to trade him.
 
The only problem with trading Hayward at the trade deadline this year IMO is that this year's draft isn't supposed to be loaded with talent (unlike last year or in 2017).


So if the chances of us getting a superstar is not there, do we let go of Hayward who has been value for money for us? I mean he has been solid and without any injuries.
 
ONE LOVE said:
The only problem with trading Hayward at the trade deadline this year IMO is that this year's draft isn't supposed to be loaded with talent (unlike last year or in 2017).


So if the chances of us getting a superstar is not there, do we let go of Hayward who has been value for money for us? I mean he has been solid and without any injuries.
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That pick would have a chance to be a top-3 pick if they trade for it at the deadline though..

Letting Hayward go would mean watching him walk for nothing after next season. Not trading him and recouping value. The draft pool is far from finalized, 1st round picks show up late, who knows if someones got a Bruno Caboclo hiding somewhere, or Juan Vaulet from the last draft.

Then there's also value in Haywards contract coming off the books, pretty sure it'd cut the salary to 40 something mil next season.. and according to this article the cap will be 108..
 
JimLes said:
You can tell these people because they're constantly posting in threads like this one, but when they show up in a game thread once in a while, the post starts with "Didn't catch the game tonight, but..."

Hence people who want to trade players still on a rookie contract because apparently, if a player isn't a franchise cornerstone by the age of 24, you should trade him for picks. People who clamor for more draft picks because the draft 2 years from now is always full of players better than the ones we drafted this year. Naturally, 2 years from now, the sequence will repeat. People who talk about how we're never going to win a championship with a certain player, as if we're on the cusp of winning one. We have yet to make the playoffs, but people are talking about what needs to be done to win a freaking championship.

It's all a video game to them. Just enjoy the present, enjoy the team we have, hope they do well. Hayward's only a year older than the Claw, 2 years younger than Curry, and the same freaking age as John Stockton when he was finally given the starting position. And people are talking about how this is as good as it gets and we need to trade him.
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Welp I watch all the games so not me. I enjoy the team we have but I recognize it's ravaged with injuries and i'm looking ahead, because the core's strong and young, and the teams loaded with picks and possible outcomes.

Salary cap ramifications are very real, it's prudent to deal with some issues ahead of time, this might be one of them - we're talkng about the difference between a high-end rookie contract and a near 30million dollar per year contract.. It presents flexibility issues. It was first brought up in this thread in the article, not by me.
 
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