Archie Moses
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Again, leaving the Mountain West doesn't show that BYU is interested in improving it's program?
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Again, leaving the Mountain West doesn't show that BYU is interested in improving it's program?
BYU is in a better place than they were 1 year ago
Utah is in a better place than they were 1 year ago
Either side that says otherwise will get the Homer label attached to their groin for the next year.
Longterm which is in better position from where they stand now? Utah due to the conference
Can &(#$ change overnight and completely have us having a different opinion? Yes
Utah is in a better place than they were 1 year ago
Either side that says otherwise will get the Homer label attached to their groin for the next year.
Longterm which is in better position from where they stand now? Utah due to the conference
Can &(#$ change overnight and completely have us having a different opinion? Yes
Duck Rodgers
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You should just start calling me Duckstorsdamus from now on. I said Utah was going to be a bottom half Pac 12 team before the season started....guess what they are? Bottom half team. I'm 1-0 on the subject of Utah in the Pac 12. 2-0 if you count them being USC's bitch as a prediction of mine. I'm on fire.
He's got a point there.
7StraightIsGreat
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For right now? Absolutley.
BYU couldn't sit in the MWC and watch Utah leave to the PAC 12. BYU fans would have come unhinged. Leaving the MWC obviously improved BYU's TV revenue right off the bat just to name 1 of the positives. My entire point is, I think BYU went independent with the idea of eventually landing in the Big 12. It certainly wouldn't have been very proactive for BYU to sit in the MWC while hoping for an eventual invite to the Big 12. That is why I have always maintained that going independent was the right move.
However, with BYU missing out on the first round of the Big 12 adding a team, I think it raises some fairly obvious questions about the long term viability of independence. Now I realize things can change and fully aknowledge that BYU may eventually get an invite, but if it is true that the Big 12 TV partners have some concerns about BYU, what's going to change between then and now that is going to make it easier for BYU to get in? Sunday play is, was, and will continue to be a huge obstacle for BYU because there is obviously no way they ever change their mind on that issue. How firm is BYU about maintianing rights for some BYUtv broadcasts and how many national TV appearances is BYU going to demand each year?
Right now, I think it's fair to say that the odds have tilted in the favor of BYU not going to the Big 12 at any time in the future. With that being said, I think the questions I've asked about BYU improving their future as an independent are more than fair. If BYU fans would actually like to have an honest dialogue about those questions, I'd welcome it. However, my guess is that the usual suspects will continue with the name calling, and passive-agressive insults and that's fine too. In fact, I wasn't expecting anything different.
7StraightIsGreat
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Memo to you and Trout: Yes, as of right now Utah has 3 Pac losses. However, the season isn't over and if they win-out in conference, a 6-and-3 conference record most likely puts them in the top half of the Pac, not the bottom. Now, I don't know if Utah is capabale of winning-out, but claiming victory on a prediction that hasn't came true yet is very premature and quite frankly, very predictable from the likes of you. Wait until the end of the season to pat yourself on the back buddy.
And even if you do end up right, you've been wrong so much more. I don't have the time to necro-post all of your absurd predictions over the last couple of years, but you and I both know there's plenty of material for me to choose from. Off hand, I remember your decleration that BYU would absolutley not lose another game after the TCU loss last year. I remember countless predictions of BYU blow-outs that ended up being hard fought nail-biters and in many cases, games that BYU ended up losing. I certainly remember the beginning of this season when you declared that BYU had the best QB in the nation, the best offensive line in the nation, and the best WR corp in the nation.
I actually could probably pull a lot more from memory, but what's the point?
Darkwing Duck
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You know, seeing this thread makes me think a lot of Utah fans are relieved/happy/satisfied that the quarterback got injured. Gives them an excuse for explaining how bad their record has been (will be?).
I say this because BYU fans have acquiesced to their team's suckitude. Utah fans are clinging on to that last bit of hope.
I say this because BYU fans have acquiesced to their team's suckitude. Utah fans are clinging on to that last bit of hope.
7StraightIsGreat
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Aside from Utah's QB problems, I think they have a very good roster. It's also a very young roster that I think has tremndous potential in the future. I feel no need to apologize for that just because you've accepted your teams "sucktitude".
//r00t 4 Jazz
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I'm ssoooooo disappointed the direction of this Ute thread has turned to you let Conan and Trout turn this thread into crap.
I figured they fit into one of my analogy hypothesis and if you keep responding to them it ruins it. I figure they're like muts, they're lost, nobody wants them around, ugly and smelly but if you ignore them they eventually go away but if you show them any attention or eye contact they never go away.
Well that or they're like Herpes, there is no cure and never go away and always flare up at the worst times.
I figured they fit into one of my analogy hypothesis and if you keep responding to them it ruins it. I figure they're like muts, they're lost, nobody wants them around, ugly and smelly but if you ignore them they eventually go away but if you show them any attention or eye contact they never go away.
Well that or they're like Herpes, there is no cure and never go away and always flare up at the worst times.
7StraightIsGreat
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I actually like Trout, although I'm still trying to remedy that. The other guy is hopeless and I don't interact with him but I have to agree that your analogy is pretty dead on.
Ya, but think about how you GOT the herpes... 100% awesome.
SaltyDawg
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I think a lot of Utah fans were relieved (or whatever you want to call it) when Wynn got hurt not because it gave them an excuse, but because it forced a change.
Wynn was pretty crappy this season. He appeared to be getting better, but he was never the QB that showed so much promise early last season before his first injury.
There were rumors that he wasn't 100% anyway, which is why he sucked. Either way, when he got hurt it forced the coaches to try something different. Plus, it gives Wynn plenty of time to recover and come into next season fully healthy and in sync with the rest of the team.
Whether Wynn returns as a starter or not, we know the Utes will have better depth at QB next year. And it probably won't hurt the Utes final record. At least not from this point forward.
As for the Utes final standing... Stanford, Oregon, Washington, ASU, and USC probably finish ahead of Utah this year. That still puts Utah in the top half of the conference. And this is rock bottom for Utah, it doesn't get any worse. To say Utah will be in the bottom half over a 10 year span is just crazy.
On BYU... They may be better off now than if they stayed in the MWC. But they may not. They have a better TV deal at the moment, but that could change if ESPN decides to bury their games on obscure channels and on weird days. Plus, they had better bowl games in the MWC and a better chance at getting to the BCS (at least before TCU and BSU and Air Force leave). What is not really debatable though, is that even if being independent is better than the MWC, the Big 12 is definitely better than being independent (with Notre Dame being the exception). If BYU has a chance to get into the Big 12, and they may have a chance with the Big East looking like it may survive, then BYU needs to do whatever they have to do in order to get in.
Wynn was pretty crappy this season. He appeared to be getting better, but he was never the QB that showed so much promise early last season before his first injury.
There were rumors that he wasn't 100% anyway, which is why he sucked. Either way, when he got hurt it forced the coaches to try something different. Plus, it gives Wynn plenty of time to recover and come into next season fully healthy and in sync with the rest of the team.
Whether Wynn returns as a starter or not, we know the Utes will have better depth at QB next year. And it probably won't hurt the Utes final record. At least not from this point forward.
As for the Utes final standing... Stanford, Oregon, Washington, ASU, and USC probably finish ahead of Utah this year. That still puts Utah in the top half of the conference. And this is rock bottom for Utah, it doesn't get any worse. To say Utah will be in the bottom half over a 10 year span is just crazy.
On BYU... They may be better off now than if they stayed in the MWC. But they may not. They have a better TV deal at the moment, but that could change if ESPN decides to bury their games on obscure channels and on weird days. Plus, they had better bowl games in the MWC and a better chance at getting to the BCS (at least before TCU and BSU and Air Force leave). What is not really debatable though, is that even if being independent is better than the MWC, the Big 12 is definitely better than being independent (with Notre Dame being the exception). If BYU has a chance to get into the Big 12, and they may have a chance with the Big East looking like it may survive, then BYU needs to do whatever they have to do in order to get in.