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Well it is the same JR College that gave the U Ratliff and I have fond memories of his end of season take over when Brian Johnson got hurt.
Utes 2011 Football Discussion
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Why are Ute fans in panic mode all of a sudden? The media, callers, etc are basically giving up on this game.
Was the backup really that crappy last game? How do we know that he received much burn in practice the week before to get him prepared?
As I remember, Ratliff was supposed to suck bigtime too.... Yet.....
I think Utah still can beat these guys. I haven't seen the backup play, but it's not like Wynn was Aaron Rogers or Peyton Manning. And even then, Painter did a good job against the Bucs. His defense is what let them down....
As long as the Utes are solid on special teams and defense and their offense just doesn't give the ball up every possession, they'll have a chance to beat Arizona St. They're good, but they're not LSU or Alabama. And according to Gunther, they run a base defense. That's perfect for an inexperienced QB. If he were running into a Rex Ryan defense that shows different looks, then he'd be in trouble.
Besides, I think Arizona is still mentally weak. This is the same team that crashed in the 2nd half of the season last year...
I hope the Utes win.
Was the backup really that crappy last game? How do we know that he received much burn in practice the week before to get him prepared?
As I remember, Ratliff was supposed to suck bigtime too.... Yet.....
I think Utah still can beat these guys. I haven't seen the backup play, but it's not like Wynn was Aaron Rogers or Peyton Manning. And even then, Painter did a good job against the Bucs. His defense is what let them down....
As long as the Utes are solid on special teams and defense and their offense just doesn't give the ball up every possession, they'll have a chance to beat Arizona St. They're good, but they're not LSU or Alabama. And according to Gunther, they run a base defense. That's perfect for an inexperienced QB. If he were running into a Rex Ryan defense that shows different looks, then he'd be in trouble.
Besides, I think Arizona is still mentally weak. This is the same team that crashed in the 2nd half of the season last year...
I hope the Utes win.
7StraightIsGreat
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I agree with you 100%
I've avoided sports talk radio all week because I just can't handle listening to the Ute fans who are already packing it in. Seriously people, it's easy to support this team in the midst of Fiesta and Sugar Bowl runs. How about growing a sack and showing some faith in your program when things aren't looking quite as rosey (pun intended)? Fairweather bitches!
One of the reasons I'm not throwing in the towell yet is that I didn't think that much of Wynn to begin with. The guy hasn't truly been right since very early last season. In fact, I think most of the time Utah wins in spite of Jordan Wynn, not because of him. Just like everybody else, I've seen very little from Hays but what I have seen makes me think that Utah can be just as good at the QB spot as they were with Wynn. Long story short: If Utah loses to ASU it's probably going to be because their defensive struggles and turnovers continue into this week, not because Jordan Wynn is on the sideline. I actually saw a headline in the SLtrib along the lines of: Utah can't win without Wynn. Easily one of the dumbest headlines I've ever read from that paper. Lazy journalism at it's finest.
Another thing I agree with you on: Dennis Erickson has a knack for having talented teams that at some point show themselves to be mentally weak and undisciplined. I think ASU will come into RES overlooking Utah just a little bit and if they're not careful, could find themselves on the wrong end of an upset. I'm still a little concerned about Utah. Last year, everybody thought Whit would have the Utes ready for Notre Dame after the TCU beatdown and everybody turned out to be wrong. I still lean towards a Utah bounceback. Whit's been so good for so long that I think you've got to give him the benefit of the doubt in regards to shoring up the D and helping this team get their minds right.
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SaltyDawg
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I certainly haven't given up hope. I haven't been listening to the sports talk radio either, so I don't know why anyone is giving up.
On Hays... I think he was pretty bad against Washington. He finally looked good on that last drive to end the game, but Washington had already called off the dogs at that point. So if people are only looking at that and assuming he won't get any better, then there is a real cause for concern. His throws were not accurate at all, and his timing with the receivers was not there either. He was definitely not ready for prime time.
Having said all of that, I expect Hays to be pretty good after getting some practice time as the starter. His timing should improve exponentially, and that will hide a lot of his accuracy problems. Plus, his accuracy will hopefully improve a little also. He has an ability to run that Wynn doesn't have, so he actually adds another dimension to the offense. Call me crazy, but I am optimistic that Hays will make the Utes even better. Didn't Alex Smith only have 1 legit offer and only get his chance because of an injury? Not saying Hays is Alex Smith, but sometimes it takes an injury for a good player to get his chance.
I'm still very optimistic. Maybe some Ute fans don't realize this isn't the MWC anymore and the Utes are still in this thing? 2 losses in the MWC and the season would be over. But the Utes still have a legit chance to play in the Pac 12 championship game. And anything can happen in 1 game, so if the Utes make it to the Pac 12 championship game, the Rose Bowl is not out of the question.
On Hays... I think he was pretty bad against Washington. He finally looked good on that last drive to end the game, but Washington had already called off the dogs at that point. So if people are only looking at that and assuming he won't get any better, then there is a real cause for concern. His throws were not accurate at all, and his timing with the receivers was not there either. He was definitely not ready for prime time.
Having said all of that, I expect Hays to be pretty good after getting some practice time as the starter. His timing should improve exponentially, and that will hide a lot of his accuracy problems. Plus, his accuracy will hopefully improve a little also. He has an ability to run that Wynn doesn't have, so he actually adds another dimension to the offense. Call me crazy, but I am optimistic that Hays will make the Utes even better. Didn't Alex Smith only have 1 legit offer and only get his chance because of an injury? Not saying Hays is Alex Smith, but sometimes it takes an injury for a good player to get his chance.
I'm still very optimistic. Maybe some Ute fans don't realize this isn't the MWC anymore and the Utes are still in this thing? 2 losses in the MWC and the season would be over. But the Utes still have a legit chance to play in the Pac 12 championship game. And anything can happen in 1 game, so if the Utes make it to the Pac 12 championship game, the Rose Bowl is not out of the question.
green
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Fotu was benched for his personal foul on the drive that allowed Washington to kick a FG before halftime. I guess he head butted a Wash player right in front of the refs and Whitt. That was the end of Fotu's night. Fotu has been a disappointment.
Not really. I've enjoyed every second of watching him play/rot on the bench.
7StraightIsGreat
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As much as I've enjoyed the complete and utter debacle that is the Jake Heaps saga?
As much as I've enjoyed 54-to-10?
As much as I've enjoyed watching Riley Nelson try to act as if he's actually straight?
That's funny right there.
Anyone have a link to a live feed for Utah games?