VICTORY!!! LPGA to change policy on ‘female at birth’
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Archie Moses
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This case is probably one of the worst arguments ever made in the history of intelligent civilizations. Seriously, think about it. It is.
I am shocked, shocked!, that you've failed to gain any sense of nuance on this issue over the last year +.
Is this some sort of sarcasm?
T.Y., Mr. Uptight. You need an oxygen mask.
Archie Moses
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Trust me, I have gained a sense of nuance in regards to trans and similar issues, but with that being said, I don't think it's fair to people that are dealt cards of actually being born a woman, with a real ******, guy.
freakazoid
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Don't try that twice. Vinyl told me.
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Of course it's not fair. It's also not fair to functionally say that transgendered people aren't allowed to participate at all because they don't fit into a tranditional sex category.
We're dealing in a world of second best options. Choosing one second best over another is a necessary cost that is unfair to someone no matter what. It is not "one of the worst arguments ever made in the history of intelligent civilizations." Your failure to understand that, and your apparent default assumption that if we have to be unfair we should be unfair to the transgendered community, are indicators that your supposed increased understanding is not as great as you think.
Archie Moses
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Sometimes life isn't fair, kicky. To me, it's more unfair to biologically born women that a person biologically born a man, is allowed to participate in a sport with women. (There are clear unfair advantages to the person born a man.)
Trust me, you're the one with "failure to understand" stuff. Sometimes rules can't be bent, kicky.
Edit: It's one of the major flaws I see we have in society nowadays. We have the "I'm entitled to whatever I want, regardless of the situation" mentality.
"I can do what ever I want, whenever I want, and there should never be any problems or consequences." Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.
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Ok. That's "to you" the balance that you would strike. But it's unfair no matter how it shakes down. That does not make the opposing argument that it is more unfair to exclude someone on the basis of their transgender status, after they have already made every possible biological accomodation, "one of the worst arguments ever made in the history of intelligent civilizations."
What "rule" are you talking about here Archie? The rule that a man is a man and a woman is a woman? I can see your views have really changed. Totally past gender binaries. I'm so proud of how much you've grown.
Archie Moses
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Kicky, please answer the question.
Would you ever date a woman born a man? Why or why not?
Would you ever date a woman born a man? Why or why not?