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[Joe Bagadonuts]

As a Mormon, I've always been surprised that more people in my faith don't have the same mindset that you do. The church does an excellent job in collecting from those who can contribute and distributing to those in need (through fast offerings, tithing, etc.). Yet, when the Government wants to perform a similar service, we all balk at the idea and complain about those few that abuse the system. Remarkable.

It's amazing to me that you are completely overlooking the differences between a voluntary charitable program and a mandatory government one. I am all for helping people, and I donate money to a variety of causes every year. I have no confidence that the government will do a good job with extra money if I'm forced to give it to them.

 

[NAOS]

It's amazing to me that you are completely overlooking the differences between a voluntary charitable program and a mandatory government one. I am all for helping people, and I donate money to a variety of causes every year. I have no confidence that the government will do a good job with extra money if I'm forced to give it to them.

It's amazing to me that you assume everybody else sees things from the perspective of the "Reagan/Thatcher Revolution"

 

[Deleted member 848]

It's amazing to me that you are completely overlooking the differences between a voluntary charitable program and a mandatory government one. I am all for helping people, and I donate money to a variety of causes every year. I have no confidence that the government will do a good job with extra money if I'm forced to give it to them.

many governments do good jobs in different areas worldwide. I got no qualms with my healthcare. 60% of bankruptcy-declarees in America wish they could say the same.

 

[Gameface]

many governments do good jobs in different areas worldwide. I got no qualms with my healthcare. 60% of bankruptcy-declarees in America wish they could say the same.

You continue to talk like bankruptcy is death.

 

[Stoked]

talk about going off the rails Dala. Your desire to defend Sanders at all costs has you arguing a fight that doesn't exist. Hack of a post.

 

[Safetydan]

And I'd be more open to their financial and tax arguments if I felt there was decent fiscal responsibility and transparency. There is not. So I have no faith, none, that me giving them more of my money will accomplish any of the things they say they will.

So you'd rather waste a vote on somebody that wouldn't even make the attempt to fix things as they are?

Let me know if I've misunderstood. I think Bernie is the only one with a fighting chance to start showing some fiscal responsibility and transparency

I'd prefer to have somebody in office that would hopefully recognize the bloat (wall street), where it exists, and where it can be eliminated, and then re-appropriate those funds into effectively solving poverty-issues, millennial debt-issues, Real global warming and clean energy initiatives to give future generations a fighting chance in this world(not just america, we need to think of ourselves as world citizens now). If an obstructionist congress, oppressive hierarchy, and what have you make this difficult, so be it. We need somebody to try. It needs to be addressed at a high level. Popular constituent support for these things will put pressure on congressman to make things happen, hopefully.

 

[Safetydan]

It's amazing to me that you are completely overlooking the differences between a voluntary charitable program and a mandatory government one. I am all for helping people, and I donate money to a variety of causes every year. I have no confidence that the government will do a good job with extra money if I'm forced to give it to them.

Let's take away all welfare and see how many people, who have the ability to do so, volunteer to take care of poverty-stricken Americans in the fashion that you see today. Pure capitalism baby.

Somebody needs to do it. How about we all share the burden equally, each according to their means. I think that sounds better.

 

[RandyForRubio]

fish tells me the people want science-- I'll give y'all science (in response to Hanters' anecdote)



That's right. 60% of bankruptcies due to medical expenses. Pls tell me how it's fiscally responsible to perpetuate a multi-payer privatized healthcare system that costs more than any public healthcare system in the entire world.

That's cool. My story wasn't meant as an anecdote tho, I just thought it was funny. Anyways, while I have you, I'm still waiting for a response. I'm sure you weren't intentionally ignoring it though.

 

[Miggs]

Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households

BY Arloc Sherman, Robert Greenstein, and Kathy Ruffing

"...the analysis finds. Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percentof the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes."

https://www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-to

Let's say this is true. Far more is still spent on what we typically think of as welfare than on corporate subsidies. 10% of 212B is 21.2B. That's how much was spent on such in 2014. In the last 15 combined years, only 68B was spent on corporate subsidies.

 

[Miggs]

i love the personal attacks too Alt.

 

[fishonjazz]

So you'd rather waste a vote on somebody that wouldn't even make the attempt to fix things as they are?

Let me know if I've misunderstood. I think Bernie is the only one with a fighting chance to start showing some fiscal responsibility and transparency

I'd prefer to have somebody in office that would hopefully recognize the bloat (wall street), where it exists, and where it can be eliminated, and then re-appropriate those funds into effectively solving poverty-issues, millennial debt-issues, Real global warming and clean energy initiatives to give future generations a fighting chance in this world(not just america, we need to think of ourselves as world citizens now). If an obstructionist congress, oppressive hierarchy, and what have you make this difficult, so be it. We need somebody to try. It needs to be addressed at a high level. Popular constituent support for these things will put pressure on congressman to make things happen, hopefully.

This

 

[Miggs]

Also, freakazoid implying I listen to Rush Limbaugh. Lmfao. It's ****ing Wes here, bro.