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I think about this stuff pretty simplistically. If people don't like the way things are going they will vote for change, but also people will vote for the devil that the know over the devil that they don't know. A lot of times these two things are at odds with each other so there is a balance of how much people don't like the way things are going in order to vote for the person that they aren't familiar with.

It feels like pundits go way too deep in to the results sometimes and start making up reasons why a particular result happens and then overcorrect and miss the mark.

In the end I think we saw that people liked how things were going under Trump better than under Biden. I personally don't agree and also don't understand how people connect things that are at best very slightly correlated, but that's just the way things go.
 
"We are basically Republicans but we will acknowledge your pronouns" Dems slogan for 2028 again.
LOL. Democrats are the worst part of 1990's Republicans. Democrats literally campaigned with Neocon Royalty Liz Cheney, were endorsed by Richard Spencer, and received the lion's share of political donations from Wall Street.

The 2024 Republicans received endorsement from labor unions who had backed Dems for decades, and were carried to victory by minority voters. Trump used to be a Democrat. Elon Musk used to be a Democrat. Joe Rogan used to be a Democrat. The realignment that has just happened is wild.

The 2024 Democrats are about killing children, transinng children, bringing in an undocumented underclass to erode wages, and calling people Nazi garbage. Congratulations, you've locked up the college-educated women who are either single mothers or don't have kids, the neocons, and the racists who view everything through the lens of skin color. Enjoy your new coalition.
 
I think you are missing the point.

Trump at least had some ideas he was pitching to potential swing voters (I disagree with most of them, specifically increased tariffs). She had NO message, aside from pointing out how bad Trump is. That doesn't resonate with people. When she decided to pitch an idea, she just stole what Trump was selling (no tax on tips). It was pathetic.

To be fair, policy existed. The communication was terrible and the policies themselves were uninspiring half-measures or overly focus-tested BS that read like: We'll give you a 15k tax rebate if you start a business in the next three years, have one kid between the ages of 0-5, and your last name is Johnson.
 
The Teamsters famously did not endorse either candidate. Neither party sufficiently represents labor interests.
Agree to disagree. There was no formal endorsement, but the news of the level of support among the Teamster members was released to the press instead. It was as clear of an endorsement as a non-endorsement gets.
 
Agreed. I was saying that the president doesn't determine prices so voting for trump because you think he will determine the cost of things is a dumb reason.

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That’s not what I said at all. He could put more money in peoples pockets. I said people couldn’t afford groceries. Big reason is they don’t make enough.
 
Also I listed about 15? I could list about 60.
You have to admit that trumps thing is vilifying people. And windmills, batteries, magnets, showers, the media etc etc etc. He loves vilifying things. He has so many grievances. He would go all night at a festivus celebration for the airing of grievances.

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I would never say that lol
 
Agree to disagree. There was no formal endorsement, but the news of the level of support among the Teamster members was released to the press instead. It was as clear of an endorsement as a non-endorsement gets.

No endorsement is no endorsement. The non-endorsement is meaningful enough in the sense that historically, they always endorsed the Democrats. You don't have to lie to make the point.
 
In the end I think we saw that people liked how things were going under Trump better than under Biden. I personally don't agree and also don't understand how people connect things that are at best very slightly correlated, but that's just the way things go.

Ya this is the best summary.
I think people give way too much credit and way too much blame to the president for how things are in their own daily lives.

Imo the main job of the president is to be a spokesperson for our product (the great country of America).
To represent us. To unite us and calm us and stabilize us through demeanor and character and values etc.

That's why I am so against trump being president. Not because of what I think he will do to my daily life personally. I don't think he has any control of my daily life. I do. That's my job. I just don't think it's a great idea to put such an unstable, volatile, dishonest, immoral person as the president to be our example. In a country with a mental health issue and lots of guns it just seems like a bad idea to throws gas and flames at it. I hate seeing scummy douchebags get rewarded and not held accountable.




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That’s not what I said at all. He could put more money in peoples pockets. I said people couldn’t afford groceries. Big reason is they don’t make enough.
Do you know that happens when more money is in peoples pockets? They spend more. Do you know what happens when people spend more? Demand goes up and supply goes down. Do you know what happens when demand goes up and supply goes down? Prices go up.

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I would never say that lol
You would never say what? That trump vilifies people? You don't have to. I already know that is factual. I literally provided the evidence.

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Do you know that happens when more money is in peoples pockets? They spend more. Do you know what happens when people spend more? Demand goes up and supply goes down. Do you know what happens when demand goes up and supply goes down? Prices go up.

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If the amount of money outweighs heavily the prices going up it will work out.
 
You would never say what? That trump vilifies people? You don't have to. I already know that is factual. I literally provided the evidence.

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Dude relax, you keep putting stuff in my mouth I didn’t say. Trump does vilify people I literally just said some of those were bangers.
 
If the amount of money outweighs heavily the prices going up it will work out.
That's the thing though, it can't. That isn't how it works.

Companies will charge what they can get people to pay.

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Dude relax, you keep putting stuff in my mouth I didn’t say. Trump does vilify people I literally just said some of those were bangers.
Ok, so you would never say what then? What did that statement mean?

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That's the thing though, it can't. That isn't how it works.

Companies will charge what they can get people to pay.

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Groceries have gone up but let’s not act like people will pay $10 for a loaf of bread and a gallon of milk.
 
I fully support that move, and I certainly hope he raises corporate taxes to offset the revenue loss from that move. We have already cut corporate taxes and tax on the rich so far down that we run a permanent budget deficit. Something has to be done to offset these cuts. You can't cut taxes forever and expect to be able to run the government. That's highly irresponsible and reckless. I hope enough people in Congress and the Senate recognize this and promote responsible tax increases to offset the lost tax revenue.
How about if we make the government more efficient and cut out government waste, fraud, and abuse? That alone would make it so we could cut taxes. I can’t believe you want to pay more in taxes into a system that isn’t listening to you or doing anything to help you. There is something like 400 government agencies! We’re at a pace of creating two agencies a year since our country was founded. The US government is the biggest and most powerful organization that ever existed and it was never intended to be anything near that. The government went awry a long time ago.
 
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