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We're saved! Spice is being outlawed, you know, for the kids.

Archie Moses said:
Why wouldn't society want another narcotic causing more problems?
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The thing is, society doesn't do drugs (or narcotics), individuals do. And society really doesn't have a legitimate say in what an individual does to him/her self. People are not obligated to be valuable to society and there are many legal ways in which an individual can make his or herself worthless to society. So, in short, it doesn't matter what "society" wants, as individual choice is primary. The limit to this individual choice is when the individual takes an action that directly harms another person, not some inferred harm caused by that person being worthless, and especially not based on some notion that the individual owes some degree of value to society.
 
Gameface said:
The thing is, society doesn't do drugs (or narcotics), individuals do. And society really doesn't have a legitimate say in what an individual does to him/her self. People are not obligated to be valuable to society and there are many legal ways in which an individual can make his or herself worthless to society. So, in short, it doesn't matter what "society" wants, as individual choice is primary. The limit to this individual choice is when the individual takes an action that directly harms another person, not some inferred harm caused by that person being worthless, and especially not based on some notion that the individual owes some degree of value to society.
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You do realize that individuals make up society, don't you? Anyways, what you said makes for an interesting debate, but I can barely see right now cause I just had eye surgery. Maybe I'll respond when I get my contact band aids out tomorrow.
 
Archie Moses said:
You do realize that individuals make up society, don't you? Anyways, what you said makes for an interesting debate, but I can barely see right now cause I just had eye surgery. Maybe I'll respond when I get my contact band aids out tomorrow.
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Of course I do. So did people join together in societies for the good of the individuals or for the good of society? Do individuals no longer participate in society voluntarily, instead they are now bound to that society no matter how unjust or irrational? Are individuals still bound to society if it is harmful to them individually, in other words, have individuals become slaves to society? My answer to that is that no, individuals are not slaves to society, society exists for the benefit of the individuals and individuals should be free to act as they please unless they are doing direct harm to other individuals.
 
Archie Moses said:
Why wouldn't society want another narcotic causing more problems?
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This is an excellent point! Makes me think we should eliminate anything that causes problems. We could start with gasoline, animals as pets, ice cream, talk radio, high heels, skiing, electricity, rock music, rap music, bread knives, matches, drano and, of course, money.

Arch, you are a visionary.
 
Bronco70 said:
This is an excellent point! Makes me think we should eliminate anything that causes problems. We could start with gasoline, animals as pets, ice cream, talk radio, high heels, skiing, electricity, rock music, rap music, bread knives, matches, drano and, of course, money.

Arch, you are a visionary.
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None of those comparisons are even remotely analogous to drugs/narcotics.
 
Archie Moses said:
None of those comparisons are even remotely analogous to drugs/narcotics.
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Really? First off, I thought we were talking about SPICE (which I had never even heard of prior to this thread), which is supposed to have an effect similar to THC (in marijuana), IIUC. I'm not sure that there are more deaths and/or injuries attributable to marijuana than to electricity or practically any vehicle that runs on gasoline. Lots of laziness, sure. But I would hardly categorize it as dangerous. Less than regular cigarettes, in my estimation. And for the record, lest you consider me biased, I have never touched the stuff.

But drugs are drugs, right? Marijuana = cocaine = heroin, etc. No difference...
 
My cousin, who has been known to get baked, tried spice a while back and she said it was some scary ****. It made her sick and jittery and she didn't get a buzz. She says she'll just stick to pot instead. I'll take her word for it.
 
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