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We're saved! Spice is being outlawed, you know, for the kids.

Bronco70 said:
Really? First off, I thought we were talking about SPICE (which I had never even heard of prior to this thread), which is supposed to have an effect similar to THC (in marijuana), IIUC. I'm not sure that there are more deaths and/or injuries attributable to marijuana than to electricity or practically any vehicle that runs on gasoline. Lots of laziness, sure. But I would hardly categorize it as dangerous. Less than regular cigarettes, in my estimation. And for the record, lest you consider me biased, I have never touched the stuff.

But drugs are drugs, right? Marijuana = cocaine = heroin, etc. No difference...
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Good post.

As a person who has not touched pot in many years I still maintain that it is safer and less addictive than both alcohol and cigarettes. I agreed to stop smoking pot so that my wife would stop smoking cigarettes. I had no problem stopping and she went through withdrawals and setbacks for a while. I had to assist her in stopping cigarettes yet I stopped pot just by deciding to. I had no side effects or withdrawals whatsoever. Alcohol (which I drink occasionally) is worse by far than either if not watched and controlled closely by the person using it. Alcoholics are alcoholics for life and they never stop being addicted. My sister in law was an alchy at 16 years of age and still has problems occasionally being around it and it's been 15 years since she received treatment.

I have never heard of spice but am against banning anything if it cannot be shown to be more addictive and worse than other legal drugs. I'm actually of the opinion that most drugs should be legalized and controlled. If people are stupid enough to use them they will. Making it illegal just makes it so more people get hurt while those people get their hands on the drugs.
 
gregbroncs said:
I'm actually of the opinion that most drugs should be legalized and controlled.
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This.

Edit: Thinking that legalizing (and regulating) marijuana is going result in a boom of new users is highly naive. For the most part, those who want to use, already do. And much of the crime associated with the distribution of it would dissolve.
 
honz said:
I read it, but thanks for your insight.
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Strange. I'd think if you read

Spice is a mixture of herbs treated with chemicals that simulate the effects of THC, the intoxicating agent in marijuana.
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it would answer your question. But, I guess it might not be enough information, but if you're looking for specifics, you really expect a media outlet to give out formulas to get people high if it's supposed to be getting outlawed?

Silly people.


I think the real problem with drugs is that people would often rather spend their money on drugs instead of essential items (you know, rent, food) and become a drain on society, needing money for essentials, as opposed to drugs making people go ape **** and commit crimes. Most people that get high do it in their basement and don't bother anybody. I'd go as far to say that alcohol is a more endangering substance when it comes to public safety than anything else, but the restriction on that is you have to be 21 to buy it, as if you are all of a sudden responsible.

The whole drug situation is retarded. The jailing times for drug use/possession is ridiculous, too. You'd get less jail time if you counterfeited legitimate goods, hurt companies and destroyed jobs in this country, plus you'd get to keep all of your money from counterfeiting. But if you do drugs and the cops catch you, man, you're ****ed.

And it's not like drug users are the most stand-up citizens ever, and I don't recommend doing drugs, but some of the bans they put on some drugs are completely ridiculous.
 
Bronco70 said:
This.

Edit: Thinking that legalizing (and regulating) marijuana is going result in a boom of new users is highly naive. For the most part, those who want to use, already do. And much of the crime associated with the distribution of it would dissolve.
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Agree with your edit. If a person wants MJ it's not hard to come by. Hell if they want Meth, coke or heroin it's really not that hard to come by.

But this thinking is one of the major things holding up the legalization of MJ and other drugs. Lots of people who have no clue believe that just because it is legal means more people will do it. They don't get that being legal or not makes little difference to the vast majority of people who want to do it.
 
Bronco70 said:
This.

Edit: Thinking that legalizing (and regulating) marijuana is going result in a boom of new users is highly naive. For the most part, those who want to use, already do. And much of the crime associated with the distribution of it would dissolve.
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This is the lesson of the prohibition experiment.
 
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