What are Republicans doing to Unify the country?

[Deleted member 365]

LOL wow. The war on intellectualism continues in dumb red states.

Missouri House Republicans vote to defund libraries

Missouri House Republicans voted to defund all of the state’s public libraries, in a proposed $45.6 billion state budget that will soon move to a vote in the GOP-controlled state Senate.

heartlandsignal.com

 

[Deleted member 365]

LOL.

 

[Red]

I guess DeSantis’s idea of “freedom” is to simply exercise total control over every human being in Florida. This has as much chance of being embraced by the general electorate in the 2024 election, should he be the GOP nominee, and imposing the Florida model on America be his platform, as the proverbial snowball in Hades does surviving.

DeSantis has apparently declared total war on modernity. How remarkably stupid. Freedom through control of how people think and behave. Prison State USA.

DeSantis and Florida Legislature want to control pretty much everyone – Baptist News Global

Hardly a constituency or demographic in Florida has escaped the legislative onslaught of Gov. Ron DeSantis and his Republican supermajority in the statehouse.

baptistnews.com

 

[LogGrad98]

I guess DeSantis’s idea of “freedom” is to simply exercise total control over every human being in Florida. This has as much chance of being embraced by the general electorate in the 2024 election, should he be the GOP nominee, and imposing the Florida model on America be his platform, as the proverbial snowball in Hades does surviving.

DeSantis has apparently declared total war on modernity. How remarkably stupid. Freedom through control of how people think and behave. Prison State USA.

DeSantis and Florida Legislature want to control pretty much everyone – Baptist News Global

Hardly a constituency or demographic in Florida has escaped the legislative onslaught of Gov. Ron DeSantis and his Republican supermajority in the statehouse.

baptistnews.com

It is a forray into fascism in America. The interesting, and potentially frightening aspect, will be to see how far it goes, how much it is supported, and if it emboldens other hyper-conservative leaders in other states to follow suit. I certainly hope the people will be able to see it for what it is and vote against it in the next cycle, but so far it doesn't look like it will be disrupted any time soon.

 

[Red]

It is a forray into fascism in America.

It is. I think if elections were determined by popular vote alone, this specie of fascism would be obliterated, and its proponents taught a lesson regarding what values we will, and will not, tolerate, as our face to the world. Not Trump. Not DeSantis. Not fascism. But, the future is unwritten yet.

But, obviously, Trump leans the wrong way as well, and here’s another of his fascist suggestions. I think I state the obvious in observing that there is really no way he would be able to pass his own test. I mean, what the hey does he know about our constitution?

'Full-blown fascism': Donald Trump envisions a 'civil service test' for 'every federal employee'

Former President Donald Trump issued a new statement on Friday vowing that if he is reelected, he will force public servants to pass a politically-themed loyalty test or face termination.Trump insinuated that the Federal Bureau of Investigation's August 8th, 2022 search warrant execution at his...

www.alternet.org

Trump’s Plans for the Federal Workforce: Weird Tests and Mass Firings

America’s top civics knower also promises to pile on more corporate deregulation—even after the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank and the derailment in East Palestine.

newrepublic.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

so far it doesn't look like it will be disrupted any time soon.

That gives me hope for America. Bigots want the power of government to force their ideology at the barrel of a gun. DeSantis is against that.

To take one example of how bigots are claiming up is down in Red's linked article:

"The measures also would make it illegal to require public school educators and students to refer to another person with pronouns that do not correspond with their birth gender."

Those wanting to "require" behavior are the bigots. DeSantis is NOT saying you, as a school kid, have to use specific language regarding pronouns. If you want to refer to someone as "he", "she", "zir", "them", or whatever then do that. This freedom of speech is opposed by those who seek to have the government compel pronoun usage under threat of prosecution. DeSantis is against government compulsion and that makes him "fascist".

DeSantis is also against using taxpayer money to teach racial hatred. Teaching history if fine. Teach the worst parts. Teach what a stain slavery is, but teachers cannot use taxpayer money if they want to use promote the idea that a person's skin color makes them bad, or lesser, or culpable. Again, DeSantis is standing in the way of bigots who demand that we teach the idea that a person's skin color makes them bad, or lesser, or culpable.

If teaching racial hatred is your thing, or if you are looking forward to the government prosecuting you for using the wrong language then DeSantis is probably not the guy for you.

 

[LogGrad98]

That gives me hope for America. Bigots want the power of government to force their ideology at the barrel of a gun. DeSantis is against that.

To take one example of how bigots are claiming up is down in Red's linked article:



Those wanting to "require" behavior are the bigots. DeSantis is NOT saying you, as a school kid, have to use specific language regarding pronouns. If you want to refer to someone as "he", "she", "zir", "them", or whatever then do that. This freedom of speech is opposed by those who seek to have the government compel pronoun usage under threat of prosecution. DeSantis is against government compulsion and that makes him "fascist".

DeSantis is also against using taxpayer money to teach racial hatred. Teaching history if fine. Teach the worst parts. Teach what a stain slavery is, but teachers cannot use taxpayer money if they want to use promote the idea that a person's skin color makes them bad, or lesser, or culpable. Again, DeSantis is standing in the way of bigots who demand that we teach the idea that a person's skin color makes them bad, or lesser, or culpable.

If teaching racial hatred is your thing, or if you are looking forward to the government prosecuting you for using the wrong language then DeSantis is probably not the guy for you.

For the record I am in favor of not requiring people to use the preferred personal pronouns. I think we should use them as a courtesy but I am against codifying that.

Everything else you completely misrepresented, like parroting the demonstrably false conservative talking points around CRT. Do better. Or troll harder? Not sure which you are going for, tbpfhwy.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Everything else you completely misrepresented, like parroting the demonstrably false conservative talking points around CRT.

Here is the actual text from the DeSantis-backed legislation:

(4)(a) It shall constitute discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, or sex under this section to subject any student or employee to training or instruction that espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or compels such student or employee to believe any of the following concepts:
1. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex are morally superior to members of another race, color, national origin, or sex.
2. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
3. A person’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, national origin, or sex.
4. Members of one race, color, national origin, or sex cannot and should not attempt to treat others without respect to race, color, national origin, or sex.
5. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex, bears responsibility for, or should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment because of, actions committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex.
6. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, national origin, or sex, should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment to achieve diversity, equity, or inclusion.
7. A person, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, bears personal responsibility for and must feel guilt, anguish, or other forms of psychological distress because of actions, in which the person played no part, committed in the past by other members of the same race, color, national origin, or sex.
8. Such virtues as merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are racist or sexist, or were created by members of a particular race, color, national origin, or sex to oppress members of another race, color, national origin, or sex.
(b) Paragraph (a) may not be construed to prohibit discussion of the concepts listed therein as part of a larger course of training or instruction, provided such training or instruction is given in an objective manner without endorsement of the concepts.

I'm not seeing where I misrepresented anything in the legislation. Which of the points in the above list are you are taking issue with? I can see why bigots wouldn't like the list, but tell me why you see that list and think it makes DeSantis a fascist for wanting these restrictions in place when it comes to spending taxpayer money.

 

[One Brow]

That gives me hope for America. Bigots want the power of government to force their ideology at the barrel of a gun. DeSantis is against that.

DeSantis is using government force to restrict the free speech of professors and the Disney company, while allowing hecklers to restrict the contents of libraries. That's forcing your ideology at the barrel of a gun.

Those wanting to "require" behavior are the bigots.

As usual, a request for simple politeness is too much for you to handle.

This freedom of speech is opposed by those who seek to have the government compel pronoun usage under threat of prosecution.

There is no jurisdiction in the US or Canada where this is prosecutable.

DeSantis is against government compulsion and that makes him "fascist".

His law-making says otherwise.

Teach what a stain slavery is, but teachers cannot use taxpayer money if they want to use promote the idea that a person's skin color makes them bad, or lesser, or culpable.

No one (this should be understood as no political party, major educational policy group, school board, etc.) wants to teach that. As an addendum that applies throughout, the clear intent to prevent accurately teaching about our current social hierarchy and privileges.

Again, DeSantis is standing in the way of bigots who demand that we teach the idea that a person's skin color makes them bad, or lesser, or culpable.

No one is trying to teach that.

Here is the actual text from the DeSantis-backed legislation:

(4)(a) It shall constitute discrimination on the basis of race, color, national origin, or sex under this section to subject any student or employee to training or instruction that espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or compels such student or employee to believe any of the following concepts:

I'm not seeing where I misrepresented anything in the legislation. Which of the points in the above list are you are taking issue with? I can see why bigots wouldn't like the list, but tell me why you see that list and think it makes DeSantis a fascist for wanting these restrictions in place when it comes to spending taxpayer money.

1. No one teaches that.
2. No one teaches that.
3. No one teaches that about moral character. OTOH, teaching that about status reflects thousands of social science studies over the past few decades.
4. No one teaches that.
5. No one teaches that.
6. No one teaches that.
7. No one teaches that.
8. This is a mixed bag, as claims of merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are used to justify inaction when racial prejudice is being pointed out.

I'm not seeing where I misrepresented anything in the legislation. Which of the points in the above list are you are taking issue with? I can see why bigots wouldn't like the list, but tell me why you see that list and think it makes DeSantis a fascist for wanting these restrictions in place when it comes to spending taxpayer money.

The legislation is an exercise in misdirection. It prevents very few real issues and scaremongers about societal issues, mostly for the sake of relieving the privileged of their self-imposed guilt.

 

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1. No one teaches that.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

Texas teacher who told Black students his race is 'superior' is no longer employed

The school superintendent described the discussion as "inappropriate, inaccurate, and unacceptable" and said "this type of interaction will not be tolerated in any" of the district's schools.

www.nbcnews.com

2. No one teaches that.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/10/19/to-be-white-is-to-be-racist-period-a-high-school-teacher-told-his-class/

3. No one teaches that about moral character. OTOH, teaching that about status reflects thousands of social science studies over the past few decades.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

He Taught a Ta-Nehisi Coates Essay. Then He Was Fired.

Matt Hawn says he was helping his students in Blountville, Tennessee, learn to critically evaluate contemporary debates.

www.theatlantic.com

4. No one teaches that.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

Atlanta mom files complaint alleging daughter's grade school segregated Black students

"You can't treat one group of students based on race differently than other groups," said the attorney for the woman who filed the federal complaint.

www.nbcnews.com

5. No one teaches that.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

Reparations for Slavery

These excerpted statements from Ta-Nehisi Coates and Stephan Thernstrom present arguments for and against paying reparations for slavery.

teachingamericanhistory.org

6. No one teaches that.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

Supreme Court Will Hear Challenge to Affirmative Action at Harvard and U.N.C. (Published 2022)

The court’s new conservative supermajority may be skeptical of admissions programs that take account of race to foster educational diversity.

www.nytimes.com

7. No one teaches that.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

Reparations for Slavery

These excerpted statements from Ta-Nehisi Coates and Stephan Thernstrom present arguments for and against paying reparations for slavery.

teachingamericanhistory.org

8. This is a mixed bag, as claims of merit, excellence, hard work, fairness, neutrality, objectivity, and racial colorblindness are used to justify inaction when racial prejudice is being pointed out.

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

Supreme Court Will Hear Challenge to Affirmative Action at Harvard and U.N.C. (Published 2022)

The court’s new conservative supermajority may be skeptical of admissions programs that take account of race to foster educational diversity.

www.nytimes.com

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

In my ideal world, the federal government would be small enough to where it would have minimal impact on our day to day lives. There would be no expectation of government to unite people with different world views. The Federal Government's sole job would be to secure our rights enshrined in the constitution. That's it. Everything else would be handled by States, and as such the vast majority of our taxes would be collected and administered at the state level. Instead of asking what the government, or a political party is doing to unite us, we probably should be asking what we individually doing to find common ground and become more united. I certainly don't see a lot of uniting conversation here, quite the opposite.

 

[One Brow]

Yes there are those who want to teach that which is why we have this kind of legislation.

As I said,

No one (this should be understood as no political party, major educational policy group, school board, etc.) wants to teach that.

There will always be individuals who teach stupid stuff.

Texas teacher who told Black students his race is 'superior' is no longer employed

The school superintendent described the discussion as "inappropriate, inaccurate, and unacceptable" and said "this type of interaction will not be tolerated in any" of the district's schools.

www.nbcnews.com

Hawn didn't teach any of the things you claim. Thank you for proving this movement is inherently deceptive.

Most of your examples didn't even apply to the number you linked them under, which is to be expected.