What are Republicans doing to Unify the country?

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This is trumps legacy: https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-sour-primary-election-process-051646937.html

About one-third of Republicans say they have a “great deal” or “quite a bit” of confidence that votes in the Republican primary elections and caucuses will be counted correctly. About three in 10 Republicans report a “moderate” amount of confidence, and 32% say they have “only a little” or “none at all.” In contrast, 72% of Democrats have high confidence their party will count votes accurately in its primary contests. Democrats are also slightly more likely than Republicans to have a high level of confidence in the Republican Party’s vote count being accurate.

Republicans continue to be broadly doubtful about votes being counted accurately — in the early contests or beyond them. About one-quarter of Republicans say they have at least “quite a bit” of confidence that the votes in the 2024 presidential election will be counted accurately, significantly lower than Democrats.

The skepticism among Republicans comes after years of former President Donald Trump falsely blaming his 2020 loss on election fraud. Federal and state election officials and Trump’s own attorney general have said there is no credible evidence the election was tainted. The former president's allegations of fraud were also roundly rejected by courts, including by judges Trump appointed.
“Nothing will be fair because the last election was rigged,” said Julie Duggan, 32, of Chicago, a Trump voter, referring to 2020. “I don't trust any of them at this point.”


Good job trump.

Yes, I blame Trump for inflicting very serious damage on our body politic by planting this seed of distrust of our elections, which will likely never recede, at least not in a foreseeable future. That clearly is a very negative and damaging legacy. If nothing else, it’s bound to increase the number of citizens that simply skip voting at all, if they believe the “fraud” makes voting pointless. And it will lead to repeated claims of fraud in any close future election. It helps foster the climate in which the opposite side is seen as dangerous domestic enemies. It helps create that climate in which we see our fellow citizens as the “enemies of our nation”. And helping foster that is about the worse thing a president could do to our body politic, a legacy that instead clearly paints Trump as our “body politic public enemy #1”. No wonder Putin wanted to help him…..

 

[fishonjazz]

Yes, I blame Trump for inflicting very serious damage on our body politic by planting this seed of distrust of our elections, which will likely never recede, at least not in a foreseeable future. That clearly is a very negative and damaging legacy. If nothing else, it’s bound to increase the number of citizens that simply skip voting at all, if they believe the “fraud” makes voting pointless. And it will lead to repeated claims of fraud in any close future election. It helps foster the climate in which the opposite side is seen as dangerous domestic enemies. It helps create that climate in which we see our fellow citizens as the “enemies of our nation”. And helping foster that is about the worse thing a president could do to our body politic, a legacy that instead clearly paints Trump as our “body politic public enemy #1”. No wonder Putin wanted to help him…..

Not just distrust in elections but also distrust in science, medical experts, teachers, justice system, media, law enforcement, etc etc.

Trump has basically tried to sew doubt in anything and everything so that He is the only one who can be trusted.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

The skepticism among Republicans comes after years of former President Donald Trump falsely blaming his 2020 loss on election fraud.

Technically true I guess. The poll measuring skepticism did happen on a later date, but the authors are smart enough to have not said that one caused the other. It is incontestable reality that more voting laws were changed in 2020, with the COVID pandemic being the excuse, than in any year in the past 150. It is those changes that many are pointing to when they say the post-COVID voting system tilts the playing field to a degree that they don't believe elections are actually free and fair any longer.

How Mass Mail-In Voting Changes Everything

When the emphasis in elections shifts from turning out conventional in-person voters to chasing mail-in ballots, we have entered a qualitatively different electoral world than the one we inhabited before.

www.theamericanconservative.com

 

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Yes, I blame Trump for inflicting very serious damage on our body politic by planting this seed of distrust of our elections, which will likely never recede, at least not in a foreseeable future. That clearly is a very negative and damaging legacy. If nothing else, it’s bound to increase the number of citizens that simply skip voting at all, if they believe the “fraud” makes voting pointless. And it will lead to repeated claims of fraud in any close future election. It helps foster the climate in which the opposite side is seen as dangerous domestic enemies. It helps create that climate in which we see our fellow citizens as the “enemies of our nation”. And helping foster that is about the worse thing a president could do to our body politic, a legacy that instead clearly paints Trump as our “body politic public enemy #1”. No wonder Putin wanted to help him…..

Are we seeing candidates from any other party tweet out pictures of their political opponents hanging from nooses? Under Trump, it has become fashionable to be mean, cruel, and say bat **** crazy things.

 

[fishonjazz]

Technically true I guess. The poll measuring skepticism did happen on a later date, but the authors are smart enough to have not said that one caused the other. It is incontestable reality that more voting laws were changed in 2020, with the COVID pandemic being the excuse, than in any year in the past 150. It is those changes that many are pointing to when they say the post-COVID voting system tilts the playing field to a degree that they don't believe elections are actually free and fair any longer.

How Mass Mail-In Voting Changes Everything

When the emphasis in elections shifts from turning out conventional in-person voters to chasing mail-in ballots, we have entered a qualitatively different electoral world than the one we inhabited before.

www.theamericanconservative.com

Agreed. However those changes worked just fine according to election officials, AG, Judges, forensic audits, recounts, etc etc. Hell even rudy guliani and other lawyers for trump showed up in court with no evidence of any issues that happened due to the changes that were made. Many people have been mailing in their ballots for years and years. Trump tried very very hard to convince everyone to not trust elections anymore though. It worked.
Also, people seem to forget that it wasn't only biden and trump on the ballots. There were all kinds of positions on the ballots and no one was complaining about any of them. Trump didn't complain about voter fraud in alabama or louisiana or florida. Only the states he lost that were swing states. Kinda makes me think he had an agenda and wasn't being honest about the election being stolen lol.

 

[Sardines]

Elections being representative of more of the population is bad for Republicans, I agree. Someone needs to tell older rural white voters that it is perfectly fair that more Americans are being represented and they don't get to just have whatever white conservatives decide be the final word.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Agreed. However those changes worked just fine according to election officials, AG, Judges, forensic audits, recounts, etc etc.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "worked just fine". There is less trust in the system. You can place the blame wherever you will but there is less trust in the system.

The new system is legal. No problems there. A president was elected. Votes were counted. If those are the things by which you judge "worked just fine", then there isn't much argument against it. The questions over "worked just fine" are in how sustainable it is. The loose chain of custody coupled with a lack of transparency and totally ineffective voter identification is not how any other nation does their elections. Trust is going to continue to erode even after Trump is gone.

 

[Sardines]

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "worked just fine". There is less trust in the system. You can place the blame wherever you will but there is less trust in the system.

The new system is legal. No problems there. A president was elected. Votes were counted. If those are the things by which you judge "worked just fine", then there isn't much argument against it. The questions over "worked just fine" are in how sustainable it is. The loose chain of custody coupled with a lack of transparency and totally ineffective voter identification is not how any other nation does their elections. Trust is going to continue to erode even after Trump is gone.

The chain of custody is not loose. There is full transparency. Voter ID is effective.

The reason people don't trust the system is not up for debate. It's Trump.

 

[fishonjazz]

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "worked just fine". There is less trust in the system. You can place the blame wherever you will but there is less trust in the system.

The new system is legal. No problems there. A president was elected. Votes were counted. If those are the things by which you judge "worked just fine", then there isn't much argument against it. The questions over "worked just fine" are in how sustainable it is. The loose chain of custody coupled with a lack of transparency and totally ineffective voter identification is not how any other nation does their elections. Trust is going to continue to erode even after Trump is gone.

What I mean is that if trump wasn't involved in the election in 2016 and 2020 then the trust in the election process would be about what it always was. (Much better than it currently is)

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[Al-O-Meter]

Voter ID is effective.

Really? Show me. Pick any state you want and show me the validation testing they've done to prove their mail-in identification effectiveness rate. I know you won't because you can't. There is zero data on how effectively mail-in voters are identified in the current system. Even recounts and audit are strictly prohibited from examining that aspect. It is a zero transparency black box with a command to trust infallible authorities.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What I mean is that if trump wasn't involved in the election in 2016 and 2020 then the trust in the election process would be about what it always was.

Hard disagree. Public trust in government has been measurably falling since 2001. You want the answer to be that easy but the data says otherwise.

 

[fishonjazz]

Hard disagree. Public trust in government has been measurably falling since 2001. You want the answer to be that easy but the data says otherwise.

There are degrees of falling though.
The answer is obviously that easy.

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