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What Do You Think The Kessler Extension Would Look Like?

LoPo said:
When was the last time an offensively limited center was worth $30+?

Look at the ones who actually do have some offense, and they can’t stay in one place because it’s just not good business to pay centers that much:
Porzingis
Ayton
KAT

We all know what happened with Rudy and how his contract was an issue.

I guarantee Jarrett Allen will start being an issue in Cleveland when his contract hits $28+ next year.

Embiid will be an issue before long. Turner will likely be an issue in Milwaukee.

I’d say trade him rather than pay $30+
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I reckon he's less limited than Rudy, he at least has a decent hook shot.

You left Steven Adams off that list and i reckon Rudy was a better player than all four.

Embiid's contract will be an issue because Embiid's body is falling apart, not his talent. (I hate Embiid and want the guy to be one of the biggest losers in the history of the NBA, he's a whinger)

Id pay him 30, what's the new cap going to be anyway?
 
Rubashov said:
I reckon he's less limited than Rudy, he at least has a decent hook shot.

You left Steven Adams off that list and i reckon Rudy was a better player than all four.

Embiid's contract will be an issue because Embiid's body is falling apart, not his talent. (I hate Embiid and want the guy to be one of the biggest losers in the history of the NBA, he's a whinger)

Id pay him 30, what's the new cap going to be anyway?
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I’m with you on Embiid. He’s annoying for sure.

In the NBA, you only contend with an elite wing/backcourt player. I just don’t see the point of paying a center that much money if we still haven’t identified who our elite wing/backcourt player it is that we will build around.
 
LoPo said:
When was the last time an offensively limited center was worth $30+?

Look at the ones who actually do have some offense, and they can’t stay in one place because it’s just not good business to pay centers that much:
Porzingis
Ayton
KAT

We all know what happened with Rudy and how his contract was an issue.

I guarantee Jarrett Allen will start being an issue in Cleveland when his contract hits $28+ next year.

Embiid will be an issue before long. Turner will likely be an issue in Milwaukee.

I’d say trade him rather than pay $30+
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Back to spouting a bunch of nonsense I see.

Also you are discussing this in a quite antiquated way. It's the percentage of the cap, not the total amount paid. Defensively elite center are worth 1/5 your payroll. Gobert has helped get Minnesota to the conference finals two years in a row despite being last his prime.
 
I don’t want to get into an argument about Gobert. Lord knows we have had too many of those.

Paying somebody like Jarrett Allen or Stephen Adams a high percentage of the cap before we have identified our franchise player is just foolish. Rim protector is the last piece of the puzzle not one of the first.

It’s like a bad baseball team spending a fortune on a closer or a bad football team paying record money for a corner.
 
underdog said:
I’d trade Kessler this offseason or before the trade deadline. When we get good enough to be a contender, I want a center who can shoot 3s and free throws besides protecting the rim. I was hoping we’d get one with our #21 pick. I suppose we can always trade him later if we don’t give him an overly expensive contract.
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Madmen everywhere!!!!
 
A top-down contract would keep Kessler's salary from being a burden on the team's salary cap. There's no immediate need to fill the salary anyway, and when the Jazz need to make a run, Kessler's salary would only account for a small percentage of the total.
 
LoPo said:
I’m with you on Embiid. He’s annoying for sure.

In the NBA, you only contend with an elite wing/backcourt player. I just don’t see the point of paying a center that much money if we still haven’t identified who our elite wing/backcourt player it is that we will build around.
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ahem... Jokic... cough... cough...
 
LoPo said:
I’m with you on Embiid. He’s annoying for sure.

In the NBA, you only contend with an elite wing/backcourt player. I just don’t see the point of paying a center that much money if we still haven’t identified who our elite wing/backcourt player it is that we will build around.
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I get your point but there are exceptions. Denver has done ok with that Jokic dude. (I agree overall about kessler though. I wouldn't go over 25 million per year and Im one of his biggest fans on jazzfanz)
 
What do you need to be a contender? Handler, scorer, perimeter defender, rim protector. We have Collier as a handler, and George will be a secondary handler and scorer. Lauri Markkanen is a great scorer who can catch passes, and Taylor Hendricks will be a full-on defender. Rim protector? You know what? Now all we need is for the prospects to grow properly, for the team to build an organic defensive system, and for an 'ace' who can break down a tough defense with his individual ability. Putting everything else aside, what the Utah Jazz needed was that "ace." And "Ace Bailey" just joined the team. He may not live up to expectations in one season. And it takes time to build this team. In the 25/26 season, the Jazz should focus on improving the individual abilities of their prospects and drop down the rankings. Then, if they select one of the top three in the 2026 draft, the Jazz can end the tanking. Walker Kesler deserves to be the Jazz's rim protector again. He's competitive enough with other centers his age, and if the Jazz were to let him go, they'd have to spend more to get a good center to run back.

* Google Translate is great, but I'm worried that it won't convey my intentions perfectly. I hope those of you who speak English well will understand in a good way.
 
LoPo said:
Guys, I’m quite aware of Jokic. He’s a massive outlier. He’s not a rim protector but a do-everything big.

He’s a very big, singular exception to the rule.
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If Philly had drafted better they'd have won it all with Embiid. In the last 25 years, a quarter of finals MVPs have been big men. The game evolves, players like Walker will always have value.

And now young LoPo you will be destroyed...
 
LoPo said:
I don’t want to get into an argument about Gobert. Lord knows we have had too many of those.

Paying somebody like Jarrett Allen or Stephen Adams a high percentage of the cap before we have identified our franchise player is just foolish. Rim protector is the last piece of the puzzle not one of the first.

It’s like a bad baseball team spending a fortune on a closer or a bad football team paying record money for a corner.
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Well you don't get to pick the order in which you obtain the pieces to your team. The Jazz got Walker early. Should they trade him because the rim protector is the "last piece of the puzzle"? Just such a dumb statement
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well you don't get to pick the order in which you obtain the pieces to your team. The Jazz got Walker early. Should they trade him because the rim protector is the "last piece of the puzzle"? Just such a dumb statement
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Financial flexibility is the most important thing prior to identifying your franchise player. Sure, we could dump Lauri I guess but I just don’t see the earth shattering implications of trading Kessler for a good haul. I see more negatives overpaying him than I do negatives from losing him.

We had the worst defense in the league with him not that it’s his fault. But still, we have a whole lot of areas to address before overpaying a guy who has clear limitations.
 
LoPo said:
Guys, I’m quite aware of Jokic. He’s a massive outlier. He’s not a rim protector but a do-everything big.

He’s a very big, singular exception to the rule.
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Shaq too. Hakeem. Embiid possibly if he could stay healthy. And ya there are exceptions. There will always be exceptions.
I think Wemby is another one.
 
fishonjazz said:
Shaq too. Hakeem. Embiid possibly if he could stay healthy. And ya there are exceptions. There will always be exceptions.
I think Wemby is another one.
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Shaq and Hakeem? You and I are old enough to know those days are long gone from long ago. The game is different.

A team is better off loading up with a bunch of dynamic wings and backcourt players then grab a hustle big later. OKC did it with Hartlestein. Of course they have Chet, but Kessler isn’t Chet because Chet can stretch the floor.

I also think Wemby is another exception. With Wemby, Jokic, Shaq, Hakeem, we are talking unique specimens. Putting Kessler in the same conversation as those guys is quite ridiculous.
 
5x125 with $27M for the first year and $23M in year 5. That’s good value and flexibility the last couple of years when we’ll hopefully be ready to really compete.
 
LoPo said:
Shaq and Hakeem? You and I are old enough to know those days are long gone from long ago. The game is different.

A team is better off loading up with a bunch of dynamic wings and backcourt players then grab a hustle big later. OKC did it with Hartlestein. Of course they have Chet, but Kessler isn’t Chet because Chet can stretch the floor.

I also think Wemby is another exception. With Wemby, Jokic, Shaq, Hakeem, we are talking unique specimens. Putting Kessler in the same conversation as those guys is quite ridiculous.
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Agreed. Just saying that your post was inaccurate because you didn't mention the fact that there are exceptions. In fact you said that you ONLY contend with an elite wing/backcourt player. You can also contend with an elite Center/big. Also can contend with elite dudes as bigs and non bigs on the same team of course.
More than one way to contend I guess.

But ya, Kessler is very unlikely to be that dude. I would go as high as 25 million per year.
 
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