What Happened to Katie?

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Making light of someone struggling to come to terms with what their gender identity is has very much pertinence with Katie. This probably wasn't the thread to make this joke, IMO.

Honest question: Have people always been struggling to come to terms with their gender identity or is this a new phenomenon?

 

[JimLes]

Honest question: Have people always been struggling to come to terms with their gender identity or is this a new phenomenon?

Why does it matter?

 

[Jamezz]

Honest question: Have people always been struggling to come to terms with their gender identity or is this a new phenomenon?

It does seem that they're addressing these issues more often in schools lately. I don't think it's a subject schools should get involved with. What do they have to teach the children about gender identity that their parents couldn't?

 

[Boris]

It was pretty darn bad-- but he had the decency and integrity to apologize about it while she was still here. I remember he made an entire thread as an apology. So you should be proud of that, and it speaks to you that you're able to admit your past transgressions.

With that said (and i'm not saying this applies to you) but every time we make a potshot at Caitlyn Jenner for her gender, and we refer to her as he/she, we are continuing the discriminatory discourse that paralyzes the rights of transgender ppl. Out of respect to KatieMCR, we should refer to people using the pronouns that they themselves request. It doesn't matter if Caitlyn Jenner is a POS.

Okay I have a question. Why are we supposed to be so soft bleeding hearts that we can not talk about anything? You do realize the transgender community by and large does not like Jenner being the face of there people? Like, we can not make fun of akmed the terrorist w out offending Muslims? Go watch Jeff Dunhams video of performing in a Muslim country. They banned akmed so he created another and literally risked his life performing an akmed. The crowd went ecstatic with laughter. It is okay to have fun with humanity and are cultural characteristics. I agree w you that treating a person ill mannered is not right but I think this whole do not talk about it or joke on Jenner line is so over the top.

Marylin Mansons boobs were a marketing scheme. Hey [MENTION=68]KatieMCR[/MENTION] are you offended?

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Why does it matter?

Why doesn't it?

 

[JimLes]

Why doesn't it?

Because it's utterly irrelevant whether something happened in the past or not. It's happening now. Or should we discount any new condition or illness because it didn't use to be an issue before?

I mean, what the hell is this PTSD thing, anyway? My grandmother's cousin spent WW2 fighting as a guerrilla in Yugoslavia against the Germans. Captured by them. Interrogated by Gestapo. Fingernails pulled with pliers. Both arms broken. Cigarettes put out on his face. Never told them a thing. Jumped out of a third story window of the building he was held in the night before his execution. Broke the glass with his forehead because his arms were broken. Broke a couple of more things landing. Was taken to a friendly village and tended to, and was inciting peasants to rebellion again within a few months. Blew up train tracks with 2 other comrades at one point, only to chance upon a German guard in the forest while going back. Managed to jump on him and land knees first on the guy's chest so he couldn't scream to let other nearby guards know. Realizing that he had to kill him but couldn't do it with a gun because a gunshot would also alert the Germans. He had some bread in his backpack and a knife to cut it with. Took the bread the knife out and slit the guy's throat. Wiped off the knife and used it to cut bread again like nothing happened. He was a bank teller before the war, by the way. Law student, but kicked out for being a member of the illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Son of a middle-class shop owner. His whole family minus a sister and a couple of cousins killed in the Holocaust. Did he have PTSD after the war? **** no! Happily talked about the struggle and how it was an honour to be a part of it. Showed people the knife when they came over. Compared to him, all these vets struggling with depression are little b*tches, aren't they? Why can't they just be like my great-uncle and his wartime comrades?

 

[Stoked]

Why does it matter?

Because maybe he wants to learn more about the history of it or genuinely interested in others opinions.

Slow your roll.

If I had to guess I'd say it has always been a thing but it was probably a death sentence, or extremely socially ostracizing, for a very long time and only now have some modern societies gotten to a place where its coming out into the open.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Because it's utterly irrelevant whether something happened in the past or not. It's happening now. Or should we discount any new condition or illness because it didn't use to be an issue before?

I mean, what the hell is this PTSD thing, anyway? My grandmother's cousin spent WW2 fighting as a guerrilla in Yugoslavia against the Germans. Captured by them. Interrogated by Gestapo. Fingernails pulled with pliers. Both arms broken. Cigarettes put out on his face. Never told them a thing. Jumped out of a third story window of the building he was held in the night before his execution. Broke the glass with his forehead because his arms were broken. Broke a couple of more things landing. Was taken to a friendly village and tended to, and was inciting peasants to rebellion again within a few months. Blew up train tracks with 2 other comrades at one point, only to chance upon a German guard in the forest while going back. Managed to jump on him and land knees first on the guy's chest so he couldn't scream to let other nearby guards know. Realizing that he had to kill him but couldn't do it with a gun because a gunshot would also alert the Germans. He had some bread in his backpack and a knife to cut it with. Took the bread the knife out and slit the guy's throat. Wiped off the knife and used it to cut bread again like nothing happened. He was a bank teller before the war, by the way. Law student, but kicked out for being a member of the illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Son of a middle-class shop owner. His whole family minus a sister and a couple of cousins killed in the Holocaust. Did he have PTSD after the war? **** no! Happily talked about the struggle and how it was an honour to be a part of it. Showed people the knife when they came over. Compared to him, all these vets struggling with depression are little b*tches, aren't they? Why can't they just be like my great-uncle and his wartime comrades?

Your grandmother's cousin was a stud. I wish he could have a conversation with some of these wimps today who are trying to dream up something to be afflicted with.

 

[sirkickyass]

I am pleased to see that the board has come so far on this issue over what is really just a few years.

It's easy to forget now but the sentiment against Katie was very strong for a long period of time, mostly on the basis of "shut up about it already" for someone that was clearly going through some stuff. There was a brief moment when I was so upset over the issue that I turned in my moderator resignation. [MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION] and [MENTION=14]colton[/MENTION] stepped up to the plate and took affirmative steps to make it better and I stayed on for something like six more years.

Everyone has a long way to go, but there's legitimate reason to suspect that if the tide has turned this dramatically on a Utah sports based message board then this will move closer and closer to becoming a non-issue over the next ten years.

 

[fishonjazz]

Because it's utterly irrelevant whether something happened in the past or not. It's happening now. Or should we discount any new condition or illness because it didn't use to be an issue before?

I mean, what the hell is this PTSD thing, anyway? My grandmother's cousin spent WW2 fighting as a guerrilla in Yugoslavia against the Germans. Captured by them. Interrogated by Gestapo. Fingernails pulled with pliers. Both arms broken. Cigarettes put out on his face. Never told them a thing. Jumped out of a third story window of the building he was held in the night before his execution. Broke the glass with his forehead because his arms were broken. Broke a couple of more things landing. Was taken to a friendly village and tended to, and was inciting peasants to rebellion again within a few months. Blew up train tracks with 2 other comrades at one point, only to chance upon a German guard in the forest while going back. Managed to jump on him and land knees first on the guy's chest so he couldn't scream to let other nearby guards know. Realizing that he had to kill him but couldn't do it with a gun because a gunshot would also alert the Germans. He had some bread in his backpack and a knife to cut it with. Took the bread the knife out and slit the guy's throat. Wiped off the knife and used it to cut bread again like nothing happened. He was a bank teller before the war, by the way. Law student, but kicked out for being a member of the illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Son of a middle-class shop owner. His whole family minus a sister and a couple of cousins killed in the Holocaust. Did he have PTSD after the war? **** no! Happily talked about the struggle and how it was an honour to be a part of it. Showed people the knife when they came over. Compared to him, all these vets struggling with depression are little b*tches, aren't they? Why can't they just be like my great-uncle and his wartime comrades?

You make a good point. And I agree that society today is too thin skinned and weak.

 

[Boris]

Because it's utterly irrelevant whether something happened in the past or not. It's happening now. Or should we discount any new condition or illness because it didn't use to be an issue before?

I mean, what the hell is this PTSD thing, anyway? My grandmother's cousin spent WW2 fighting as a guerrilla in Yugoslavia against the Germans. Captured by them. Interrogated by Gestapo. Fingernails pulled with pliers. Both arms broken. Cigarettes put out on his face. Never told them a thing. Jumped out of a third story window of the building he was held in the night before his execution. Broke the glass with his forehead because his arms were broken. Broke a couple of more things landing. Was taken to a friendly village and tended to, and was inciting peasants to rebellion again within a few months. Blew up train tracks with 2 other comrades at one point, only to chance upon a German guard in the forest while going back. Managed to jump on him and land knees first on the guy's chest so he couldn't scream to let other nearby guards know. Realizing that he had to kill him but couldn't do it with a gun because a gunshot would also alert the Germans. He had some bread in his backpack and a knife to cut it with. Took the bread the knife out and slit the guy's throat. Wiped off the knife and used it to cut bread again like nothing happened. He was a bank teller before the war, by the way. Law student, but kicked out for being a member of the illegal Communist Party of Yugoslavia. Son of a middle-class shop owner. His whole family minus a sister and a couple of cousins killed in the Holocaust. Did he have PTSD after the war? **** no! Happily talked about the struggle and how it was an honour to be a part of it. Showed people the knife when they came over. Compared to him, all these vets struggling with depression are little b*tches, aren't they? Why can't they just be like my great-uncle and his wartime comrades?

A condition or illness that needs to be cured? Society has come a long long ways.

 

[JimLes]

And I agree that society today is too thin skinned and weak.

But that's ultimately a good thing. It means our lives are not as crappy as they were in the past.