What is going on with Collier?

[KqWIN]

Collier is an elite tank commander. He is undeniably one of the worst (if not the worst) player getting minutes in the league and Hardy does love to play him. Remember when Hardy benched Sexton for him in the SAS game?

But despite him being so bad, I think he does increase the watchability of the games. He plays hard, he plays for his teammates, and even though he’s not shooting much his fingerprints are all over the game.

Elite

 

[Doramin]

I think part of it might be the adjustment to the NBA pace. He might be overthinking, which is affecting his playmaking and scoring. He definitely needs to be more aggressive, but it’s still early—he has potential.

 

[bookworm]

DA didn't just blow up the team, he destroyed it. What a mistake to hire him. But he wanted to go back home and his LDS buddies welcomed him with open arms. Not easy though to be a GM. Hard to predict how young players turn out. Sometimes, it's just because of injuries. Looks like the Jazz will never get back to their glory days. Anybody here see my old friend Jerry, Can you tell me where he's gone? He left after Karl and John, and I can see them over the hill, my friends, Jerry, Karl, and John

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I maintain that the sky is not falling and that Danny Angel has generally been a Godsend. He came in and immediately engineered two of the most lopsided trades in NBA history. Through trades and the draft, he’s made the team one of the most solvent and asset rich teams in the league. I believe that his picks though possibly not perfect (Whitmore, Knecht) are a damn sight better than his predecessor’s.

Draft prospects can’t be evaluated in the first year. Sensabaugh looked like a league superstar last night while many wrote him off just last season. Keyonte struggled early on and yet now ostensibly ahead of many taken before him. Hendrix was a defensive beast in his second season before going down to injury.

Everything said about Collier was said about Williams a couple months ago and Williams looks like a new man after a stint in G League - damn if he didn’t look a lot like J-Dub finishing at the rim last night. Anybody want to bet me that Collier doesn’t make the same recovery? This guy was the number one high school recruit in the Country just a couple years ago. You really think that that combination of speed and strength just grows on trees? Might be different if we took him in lottery position but at 29 I still see him as a bargain roll of the dice.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Cody does not look any different...?

 

[Tanktastic]

I maintain that the sky is not falling and that Danny Angel has generally been a Godsend. He came in and immediately engineered two of the most lopsided trades in NBA history.

Do people generally think that any half-competent GM couldn't have gotten the same trades once the owner had made the decision that things should be blown up?

I don't think Ainge has some strange psychic capabilities to get picks and players that others couldn't.

Also choosing the Minny and Cavs offers over anything else that was available hasn't really appreciated in value over time - as the Cavs picks especially look quite worthless going forward.

Sensabaugh looked like a league superstar last night while many wrote him off just last season.

No he didn't. It was a game in which (for one of quite a few times so far) he looked competent and serviceable. Not a superstar in any way.

Hendrix was a defensive beast in his second season before going down to injury.

No he wasn't. He was fine. Also, he played in 2½ games.

Williams looks like a new man after a stint in G League - damn if he didn’t look a lot like J-Dub finishing at the rim last night.

He had a couple of good plays. Not even a decent one game.

So far nothing that Danny got in the trades looks franchise-altering. Some picks seem like they're fine ... and that's all. Kessler is usable. Markkanen obviously has been excellent - but at the same time the team chose to tank with him multiple times.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I maintain that the sky is not falling and that Danny Angel has generally been a Godsend. He came in and immediately engineered two of the most lopsided trades in NBA history. Through trades and the draft, he’s made the team one of the most solvent and asset rich teams in the league. I believe that his picks though possibly not perfect (Whitmore, Knecht) are a damn sight better than his predecessor’s.

Draft prospects can’t be evaluated in the first year. Sensabaugh looked like a league superstar last night while many wrote him off just last season. Keyonte struggled early on and yet now ostensibly ahead of many taken before him. Hendrix was a defensive beast in his second season before going down to injury.

Everything said about Collier was said about Williams a couple months ago and Williams looks like a new man after a stint in G League - damn if he didn’t look a lot like J-Dub finishing at the rim last night. Anybody want to bet me that Collier doesn’t make the same recovery? This guy was the number one high school recruit in the Country just a couple years ago. You really think that that combination of speed and strength just grows on trees? Might be different if we took him in lottery position but at 29 I still see him as a bargain roll of the dice.

This post is simply a fantastic example of people seeing what they want to see.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Do people generally think that any half-competent GM couldn't have gotten the same trades once the owner had made the decision that things should be blown up?

I don't think Ainge has some strange psychic capabilities to get picks and players that others couldn't.

Also choosing the Minny and Cavs offers over anything else that was available hasn't really appreciated in value over time - as the Cavs picks especially look quite worthless going forward.


No he didn't. It was a game in which (for one of quite a few times so far) he looked competent and serviceable. Not a superstar in any way.


No he wasn't. He was fine. Also, he played in 2½ games.


He had a couple of good plays. Not even a decent one game.

So far nothing that Danny got in the trades looks franchise-altering. Some picks seem like they're fine ... and that's all. Kessler is usable. Markkanen obviously has been excellent - but at the same time the team chose to tank with him multiple times.

This post is simply a fantastic example of people seeing what they want to see.

It’s no wonder this forum is so active! Debbie Downers, wow! Talk about miserable - just mope around looking for a dog to kick!

 

[underdog]

It’s wild how hard some fans here criticize young players just starting their first year. Why expect these kids to run already when they can hardly crawl yet? Learning the NBA ropes takes at least three years for most. Yeah, there are exceptions, but those are rare.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Collier' dunk impressed me last night. A bit more bounce than I thought he had.

 

[underdog]

Collier' dunk impressed me last night. A bit more bounce than I thought he had.

Yeah, and Cody also played better last night.

 

[homeytennis]

Why not try a lineup of summer league and two way players: Potter, Oscar, Davy Jones, Kessler, Juzang, Collier, Cody, Flip, Key and Brice? This would give development. Let Lauri, the two JCs, Svi, Sexton and Eubanks heal their contusions.