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What is Mike Conley's trade market?

Still struggling to undertand why Mike was quite good until All Star break ( shooting over 40% at 3) and ended the season so bad. For me and i know Mike well, nothing to do with physical issue but mental issue for sure ( personal, with the team?), i do not know.
 
We gonna need every second rounder from every team for the next 10 years to package with. OKC on line 1.
 
Will likely have to be another "eye of the beholder" type contract coming back. Evan Fournier is the guy I think makes sense.
 
Conley’s value is higher than people on here think. He has earned his reputation and GMs know something was off with this Jazz team this year, not just Conley. He will look better again in a better situation.

The Wizards would be a good fit. They need a point and are looking to compete. Conley could work well with Beal and Porzingis. Maybe a deal involving KCP or Kuzma.

Both LA teams, maybe Indiana if they’re trying to compete next year, Dallas if they lose Brunson in free agency, maybe the Knicks.
 
Some good thoughts in here. I'm not sure any of the proposals are that realistic or would have a positive impact. This is one of the biggest reasons I think a retool is unrealistic. It seems unlikely we can flip any of our players for better players without attaching the draft assets we don't have. I know what we are hearing from Tony Jones, but it just seems so unrealistic. Our front office can't be that naive.

My guess is our front office really doesn't know what they will do. They are probably taking calls on everyone and will come to the same conclusion that a retool isn't possible. Hopefully at that point they make the tough choices to blow it up. It's Ryan's money, but I can't believe he wants to go another year in the luxury tax for a play in team.
 
KqWIN said:
Will likely have to be another "eye of the beholder" type contract coming back. Evan Fournier is the guy I think makes sense.
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Donovan hates him… it could be a loyalty test
 
Look his market isn't great but overall he had a strong season and he is healthy. You can easily explain away his struggles as we asked too much of him for a time and he wore down or our completely ****** vibes. I think he is still something that can get us a positive return.

There are two types of trades for every player this offseason imo... the blow this **** up trade options that net picks and the let's stay competitive trades that we almost surely try.

Win now trades:

Washington prolly has the worst pg situation and wants to make Beal happy so they might be the best partner. The trade I'd attempt to get is KCP and Deni for Conley. Deni is a guy I love and would almost like to see us keep Rudy and Donovan together if we got him as I think he could take a big leap and be a major connecting piece on both ends of the court. KCP in a contract year is helpful. They likely would rather do Rui and KCP for Mike which I'm less high on. It seemed they were showcasing Rui end of season. He's a solid prospect but not a winning player... he's fine for a tank I guess. I'm not sure how they view Deni, but they seem to love Kuzma and don't have a ton of other stuff to trade to help at PG. So its a little optimistic but not crazy town imo.

Clips have been mentioned... the trade that makes most sense would be Kennard (now they have Powell so Kennard is kind of overkill) and Zubac. If they can't keep Hartenstein then they likely aren't doing this one and they have limited cap flexibility to keep Hartenstein. I don't hate Kennard but I hate him for our roster... he's exactly the type of undersized, non-athletic guy we don't need more of. Zubac can help prop up the center position since Rudy likely getting moved.

Then I could see Detroit wanting Mike's vet presence if they can't get Brunson... help mentor Cade and Bey and set them up. I think Joseph and Olynyk would be the trade pieces coming back. Gives a defensive guard and a stretch 5 and saves Ryan enough he may duck the tax (which will be a priority this offseason even though every Jazz media type not named Andy Larsen will deny it and scoff at you if you even consider that notion).

The easiest win now trade is a straight swap with Indiana for Brogdon. One less year on the Conley deal and Malcolm might be a tough personality based on everything I hear about him. They may not want him around the young guys in a rebuilding situation. He might be moved in the Westbrook deal that is surely coming but if LA doesn't give up the picks then this might be the best solution. I also get the sense they don't want to completely bottom out.

I could also see a "make Donovan happy deal" for DLo where we send Conley and Gay for Russell and get one of Donovan's buddies in the building. Such fun.

Finally - I could see a trade with San Antonio where they try to help supplement Murray's playmaking and trade Richardson for Mike. They have wings... as long as Pop is around they won't rebuild. This maybe helps them be better next year. I also don't think they can use all of their cap space this offseason... this deal would take about 10M off our payroll for next season and give us a wing. Again the beat writers will sell you on the money being unimportant or being reinvested... don't buy that ****.
 
The blow it up trades for Mike

Trade Mike, Bogey, and Royce or JC if they want them to the Lakers for Westbrook, THT, and Nunn as well as the laker firsts in 2027 and 2029 unprotected. I love this deal.

Also - Could use Mike to grease the wheels in the Donovan to NY deal. Say they don't want to give you every pick and pick swap they have without taking back Randle... add Conley and take back Randle (no idea how much they value Randle but they should be looking to be rid of that deal).

Dallas might want Mike if the price tag for Brunson gets too high and they are trading for Rudy. You snag an extra pick maybe...IDK.

If Philly is looking to be out of the Tobias business and wants a couple players you could do Harris for Conley and Bogey and get a couple picks (Morey famously gives doesn't value picks as highly as some). Harris is a worse fit for their roster with Harden... he's okay when Embiid isn't there but Mike gives them some backup minutes and Bogey gives them a quick trigger three point threat spacer. Harris could be flipped later.

And finally Memphis... if they think the price tag on Tyus is too high maybe they send Adams and the #29 pick in the draft. Mike backs up and fills in for Ja here and there.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Donovan hates him… it could be a loyalty test
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Huh....I didn't know that. In a perfect world where Donovan says to keep Rudy and win as much is we can, I think this swap of players. Conley really **** the bed in the playoffs, but before then I thought Fournier+Reddish for Conley was an interesting deal. Would put us in a better spot for the future and present because of a better fit.
 
KqWIN said:
Huh....I didn't know that. In a perfect world where Donovan says to keep Rudy and win as much is we can, I think this swap of players. Conley really **** the bed in the playoffs, but before then I thought Fournier+Reddish for Conley was an interesting deal. Would put us in a better spot for the future and present because of a better fit.
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I think you could get Cam and Evan for Mike all day.

I am projecting here with Donovan... he doesn't like Rudy... he just doesn't. Andy has flat out said it and others have too. Evan is one of Rudy's closest buddies. If you watch when Donovan plays Fournier he goes at him with a vigor similar to how he went at Brooks in the playoffs. I have noticed it in a few matchups... if you go back and watch it you can see it. It isn't in a Carmelo way of this guy is bad at defense... its in a way of wanting to embarrass him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The blow it up trades for Mike

Trade Mike, Bogey, and Royce or JC if they want them to the Lakers for Westbrook, THT, and Nunn as well as the laker firsts in 2027 and 2029 unprotected. I love this deal.

Also - Could use Mike to grease the wheels in the Donovan to NY deal. Say they don't want to give you every pick and pick swap they have without taking back Randle... add Conley and take back Randle (no idea how much they value Randle but they should be looking to be rid of that deal).

Dallas might want Mike if the price tag for Brunson gets too high and they are trading for Rudy. You snag an extra pick maybe...IDK.

If Philly is looking to be out of the Tobias business and wants a couple players you could do Harris for Conley and Bogey and get a couple picks (Morey famously gives doesn't value picks as highly as some). Harris is a worse fit for their roster with Harden... he's okay when Embiid isn't there but Mike gives them some backup minutes and Bogey gives them a quick trigger three point threat spacer. Harris could be flipped later.

And finally Memphis... if they think the price tag on Tyus is too high maybe they send Adams and the #29 pick in the draft. Mike backs up and fills in for Ja here and there.
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Here's my "win now" move with Conley:

We trade Mike, NAW and Gay to Dallas for Bullock and Bertans.

Why our FO does it:

- It saves $5 in salary next year at the expense of worsening longer term salary. They love these moves.

- We get to win the press conference with getting "long defensive wing who can shoot threes." This will be distilled over the course of a season where he will be taught to be lazy, and he will see his efforts to be active be pointless when everyone else is being lazy, and by the post-season it will be rendered entirely pointless.

- Jazz media get to talk about the value of a true "3 pt sniper," a guy who can throw it up contested, off-balance, whatever. You'll hear more about how we haven't had a true three point threat from everywhere since Korver left, and how our lack of threes falling can be remedied with a guy who can get it off from anywhere.

Why we should do it:

- We could pretend we're moving in the direction of defense.

- It gets rid of some bad salary. Downside is you still have another year on Bertan's deal.

I originally typed this up as a joke. After I went through a justification and it saving some short-term money, I don't hate it. It cuts dead salary while adding on some problematic salary with Bertans.
 
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