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What should be done with Rudy Gay

I would think that the Jazz could call any Ortho and PT in the Salt Lake phone directory and get a good answer to the question of recovery and rehab time involved. I think Mike Conley snookered the owner because he wanted his buddy on the team.
 
I would think that the Jazz could call any Ortho and PT in the Salt Lake phone directory and get a good answer to the question of recovery and rehab time involved. I think Mike Conley snookered the owner because he wanted his buddy on the team.
You're right. We should sign Carson Edwards and waive Conley for this transgression!
 
But also to counterpoint my budget thought... we do seem to make moves to cut budget in minor things rather than making a bigger more meaningful budget impact. Deciding that Paschall at 3M is worse than a vet minimum guy who sucks at like 1.8M would be par for the course. I mean we did decide that a second round salary was preferable to a first round salary and also trade a decent second to offload 300K of Tucker salary. So logic says you make a smart budget move and keep Eric... we could do the opposite... so I think its a reasonable concern. I hope Danny is smarter and can help Ryan see the whole picture.

Yeah...we've made several moves to move off salary that lead me to believe that we won't be OK with having our 11th guy be paid anything more than the minimum. If House, Paschall, or Forrest get offered above the minimum I think they are gone. In Paschall's situation, I would want to leave anyways for more opportunity. I don't think Gay is that bad, but it's pretty clear that he's not going to reach some of the upper end of some of our expectations/hopes. The idea of him becoming a closing option is completely out of the picture, for example. He's really just in the Niang role, and while it will be hard for him to perform worse than Niang did last year, I had way more confidence in Niang going into the playoffs last year than I do with Gay right now. But it's not that bad.

The missed opportunity on Paschall bothers me more than Gay playing. I think Paschall is someone we should lock down for multiple years. He's entering his best years of basketball and is really talented. He's shown me enough this year that he can scale down to smaller usage role, but he still has the ability to get buckets if we needed to call upon him. When you have a very expensive team, it's essential that you have cheap good players locked down for multiple years.
 
Yeah...we've made several moves to move off salary that lead me to believe that we won't be OK with having our 11th guy be paid anything more than the minimum. If House, Paschall, or Forrest get offered above the minimum I think they are gone. In Paschall's situation, I would want to leave anyways for more opportunity. I don't think Gay is that bad, but it's pretty clear that he's not going to reach some of the upper end of some of our expectations/hopes. The idea of him becoming a closing option is completely out of the picture, for example. He's really just in the Niang role, and while it will be hard for him to perform worse than Niang did last year, I had way more confidence in Niang going into the playoffs last year than I do with Gay right now. But it's not that bad.

The missed opportunity on Paschall bothers me more than Gay playing. I think Paschall is someone we should lock down for multiple years. He's entering his best years of basketball and is really talented. He's shown me enough this year that he can scale down to smaller usage role, but he still has the ability to get buckets if we needed to call upon him. When you have a very expensive team, it's essential that you have cheap good players locked down for multiple years.
Paschal is mediocre at best.
 
Yeah...we've made several moves to move off salary that lead me to believe that we won't be OK with having our 11th guy be paid anything more than the minimum. If House, Paschall, or Forrest get offered above the minimum I think they are gone. In Paschall's situation, I would want to leave anyways for more opportunity. I don't think Gay is that bad, but it's pretty clear that he's not going to reach some of the upper end of some of our expectations/hopes. The idea of him becoming a closing option is completely out of the picture, for example. He's really just in the Niang role, and while it will be hard for him to perform worse than Niang did last year, I had way more confidence in Niang going into the playoffs last year than I do with Gay right now. But it's not that bad.

The missed opportunity on Paschall bothers me more than Gay playing. I think Paschall is someone we should lock down for multiple years. He's entering his best years of basketball and is really talented. He's shown me enough this year that he can scale down to smaller usage role, but he still has the ability to get buckets if we needed to call upon him. When you have a very expensive team, it's essential that you have cheap good players locked down for multiple years.
I think there is a better than 50% chance we keep Paschall... the restricted status being the thing that provides me the most confidence. Sadly not playing him likely costs him some money right now but maybe his shooting is a little fluky and he'd end up regressing if given more opportunity.

I just think if the goal is to move under the tax you move JC, Mike, Bogey anyway... so Paschall making 3-4M isn't a big deal.
 
I think there is a better than 50% chance we keep Paschall... the restricted status being the thing that provides me the most confidence. Sadly not playing him likely costs him some money right now but maybe his shooting is a little fluky and he'd end up regressing if given more opportunity.

I just think if the goal is to move under the tax you move JC, Mike, Bogey anyway... so Paschall making 3-4M isn't a big deal.

The restricted status gives me very little added confidence because the thing that will keep us from signing Paschall is money. If he gets more than the minimum, I don't think we match. Same goes for House and Forrest. House and Forrest would probably love to come back. Paschall has to come back if we match...but if those guys get more than minimum, they are gone because a cheaper option can be had.
 
The restricted status gives me very little added confidence because the thing that will keep us from signing Paschall is money. If he gets more than the minimum, I don't think we match. Same goes for House and Forrest. House and Forrest would probably love to come back. Paschall has to come back if we match...but if those guys get more than minimum, they are gone because a cheaper option can be had.
Unless he plays a little more or shows out in the playoffs I think the market will be fairly tepid for him. I think his market caps out at the 2 year BAE so 2/8... Maybe someone breaks up the MLE into a couple players and give him a 3/10M like you are saying... but the restricted status will push his market lower... I think there is a 50/50 shot he plays for the QO of 2.2M and becomes a UFA next year.
 
Unless he plays a little more or shows out in the playoffs I think the market will be fairly tepid for him. I think his market caps out at the 2 year BAE so 2/8... Maybe someone breaks up the MLE into a couple players and give him a 3/10M like you are saying... but the restricted status will push his market lower... I think there is a 50/50 shot he plays for the QO of 2.2M and becomes a UFA next year.
The can will be far enough down the road that if/when we decline matching a 2/8 on Paschall we can have the media tell us how shrewd we’re operating and how we have delicate space to work with and we’ve got NAW for $5M and how we really believe in him and see him as a future piece. Basically the deflection will be that we think NAW is awesome without drawing attention to the reality that we are hampered on small financial decisions because of short-sighted financial decisions a few months prior. But we can spin that as a positive “because NAW is really good!”
 
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