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What Utah going to the Pac does to rivalries

catratcho said:
You really think you could beat 9 out of the current PAC 10 teams this upcoming year? That's what it takes.
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The short answer is, Yes. They could. I don't think there is any team in the PAC 10 that they have no chance against, right now. That being said, I would like TCU or BYU's chances in the same scenario, also.

Hell, Utah won't even win the MWC this year, and you think you'd win the PAC 10?
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It's fortunate you have that figured out. Gonna save a lot of wasted time playing football games. I expect BYU to do well this year. They should have a real chip on their shoulder.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Look, it's not a bad life for the athletic program being Arizona/Arizona State/Washington State/Oregon State/UCLA/Stanford/Cal. They'll get a little extra money....be able to hire strippers now for potential Utah recruits....buy the occasional Reggie Bush.....whatever. Utah fans should just look at it as a tax. The product goes down, you guys end up having to pay more for tickets. Win-win. No sour grapes. Lemon juice.
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Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!!!
 
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Bronco70 said:
The short answer is, Yes. They could. I don't think there is any team in the PAC 10 that they have no chance against, right now. That being said, I would like TCU or BYU's chances in the same scenario, also.
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To tell you you my opinion on it, I think Utah will be in the top 1/3 of the new PAC just about every year, with a shot at winning it some years. My only point was that I don't think this next year (2010) is one of those years.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Salty, do you even know your own team? You guys lost one ****ing game with Cain and two with Jordan Wynn. Why would you even act like that matters? You guys probably would have lost that game by a wider margin if Wynn played. He got hammered in big games and couldn't respond to the physicality. I fully expect that to be the case for three more years. Dude's a wuss.

As far as recruiting, nothing's going to change. Utah will become Washington State and move their recruiting into the 40's on Scout.com or whatever by picking up a few extra guys. Big whoop. Almost none of our recruiting class last year even gave Utah a thought. Jake Heaps wasn't going to go Utah under any circumstances. Ross Apo wasn't going to Utah under any circumstances. And on and on and on. Nothing's changed at BYU. Or were you mistaken that recruits were coming to BYU just because they are in the same conference in Utah?

Don't be. Did I ever mention that Utah has won only six conference championships in the last 46 years on here? BYU has won 23. Get out of here with your garbage. They aren't even on the same level as programs.
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LOL!!! Talk about a bitter BYU fan.

Yes, I know the team. And Wynn is WAY better than Cain. If you don't understand that, then you obviously don't know the team. Losing a close game with Cain starting (and stinking up the joint) would have likely been a victory with Wynn starting. At least the Wynn that ended the season, as he probably wasn't ready that early.

And you're crazy if you don't think this has any impact on recruiting. As has been pointed out, Harvey Unga is a prime example of a recruit BYU probably loses if Utah would have been in the PAC at that time.

Rose Bowl or Vegas Bowl? Do you honestly see most recruits picking BYU? Maybe a few here and there for religious reasons. But nobody is going to pick BYU for football reasons, that's for sure.
 
catratcho said:
To tell you you my opinion on it, I think Utah will be in the top 1/3 of the new PAC just about every year, with a shot at winning it some years. My only point was that I don't think this next year (2010) is one of those years.
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So then this year, who are these teams that you think would finish ahead of the Utes in the PAC this year?

I could understand your argument if you said this year the Utes would do well in the PAC, but in the future you don't see it or something like that. But you pretty much said the opposite, that Utah would suck in the PAC this year but in the future they will do well.

I just can't see how anyone can say that. The team that won the PAC (and all the "experts" picked to win the PAC this year too) is a team that barely beat Utah, with Utah's crappy QB starting, in Oregon, and has since kicked their starting QB off the team.
The team that finished second is now getting smacked down by the NCAA and won't be in contention for several years.
One of the teams that tied for 3rd int he PAC is the team Utah blew out in the Poinsettia Bowl.

Utah is going to be a lot better this year than last year. I don't think anyone disputes that. Last year we had a new QB who was fresh out of high school and everyone expected to red shirt. He will be a lot better and more experienced this year. We also had 2 new coordinators. And we still would have finished int he top 1/3 of the PAC last year.

Yeah, I would love to see the teams you think would finish ahead of Utah in the PAC this year, or would beat Utah head to head.
 
SaltyDawg said:
So then this year, who are these teams that you think would finish ahead of the Utes in the PAC this year?

I could understand your argument if you said this year the Utes would do well in the PAC, but in the future you don't see it or something like that. But you pretty much said the opposite, that Utah would suck in the PAC this year but in the future they will do well.

I just can't see how anyone can say that. The team that won the PAC (and all the "experts" picked to win the PAC this year too) is a team that barely beat Utah, with Utah's crappy QB starting, in Oregon, and has since kicked their starting QB off the team.
The team that finished second is now getting smacked down by the NCAA and won't be in contention for several years.
One of the teams that tied for 3rd int he PAC is the team Utah blew out in the Poinsettia Bowl.

Utah is going to be a lot better this year than last year. I don't think anyone disputes that. Last year we had a new QB who was fresh out of high school and everyone expected to red shirt. He will be a lot better and more experienced this year. We also had 2 new coordinators. And we still would have finished int he top 1/3 of the PAC last year.

Yeah, I would love to see the teams you think would finish ahead of Utah in the PAC this year, or would beat Utah head to head.
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So, what does it say about the Utes and their chances in the PAC when they can't even beat the lowly Cougars of the MWC? Again, I can't wait to hear the excuses in the coming years.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Rose Bowl or Vegas Bowl? Do you honestly see most recruits picking BYU? Maybe a few here and there for religious reasons. But nobody is going to pick BYU for football reasons, that's for sure.
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Again, we have been going head to head with Texas, USC, and Notre Dame with players and winning. Andrew Rich turned down a scholarship at Cal to walk on at BYU. Why do you think Utah is all of the sudden going to leap above those teams? The Rose Bowl isn't going to be a place the Utes see often except when they play UCLA. Why aren't all of BYU's current in-state commits jumping to Utah? Utah has offered most of them. The answer is because they want to go to BYU. But feel free to post on this board as soon as the Pac 10 effect starts kicking in. I'll be waiting.
 
Yeah, I really don't think BYU recruiting is changed too much by Utah going to the Pac-10. BYU has been getting top notch recruits from out of state before. And with Utah's recruiting getting better out of state, they'll get fewer in state kids, leading more to go to BYU.

I SERIOUSLY doubt there are that many kids that will choose between Utah and BYU because of conference affiliation.
 
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