He does have a problem guarding stretch 4's (not off the dribble, just closing on the shots), no doubt. But I find his pick n roll defense to be by far the most superior on the team.
What would you give up for a top 3 pick?
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He does have a problem guarding stretch 4's (not off the dribble, just closing on the shots), no doubt. But I find his pick n roll defense to be by far the most superior on the team.
Kanter's biggest problem as a player right now is that he doesn't flop. Especially on the defensive side. If he didn't get called for so many non-sense fouls where he's simply in the right spot on the floor, still as a statue, with his arms up then his defensive numbers would look even better. Hopefully the refs stop being retarded dicks about that so I don't have to watch another man succumb to the theater of sports.
I think you had a typo there and meant to say "jump" instead of "flop". Kanter has a lot of promise and I like him, but you couldn't slide a piece of paper under his feet as he elevates. His other big deficiency is easier to correct and that is that he shouldn't bring the ball down so low when he rebounds.
"Player" is highlighted for a reason.
I don't think elevation is his problem. Tons of centers in the NBA are his size and don't have great verticals. He just has to learn to get his shot off better. Right now it looks like he is just tossing the ball at the rim, usually with terrible balance.
vslice02
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This. In the 2nd-half against Phoenix Favors deflected 2 Steve Nash passes on side screen-roll (I think one was a kicked ball and the other went out of bounds). Those are huge plays - even if the other team retains possession you're still disrupting their offense with deflections. IMO those 2 plays speak volumes about the potential he has on the defensive side because you can find bigs who can rebound, you can find long guys who can block shots, but you don't often find guys who can rebound, block shots, and show and recover on screen-roll.
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Stifle Tower
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Ummm no, if you jump, you're going to get called for the foul every time. Much better to get and hold position, especially if you do so early further out on teh court and don't let the opposing center take you inside. You'll give up fewer points, and be in a better position to rebound as you already have that player behind you. Great position, hands straight up, and make the center shoot over you.
margodydek
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I don't think there's many out there that would argue against this point, but in case there are I have two words: Tim Duncan.
vslice02
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As far as Kanter and his defense - imo the only issue I see now is alot of the unesssary/touch fouls he picks up which often lead to more passive play where he won't always challenge shots. IMO it's a combination of inexperience from Kanter and poor judgement on the officials.
On one hand, Kanter's often in good position and if he were a reputable positional defender like Jason Collins or Kenderick Perkins - it's unlikely he would be called for as many fouls as he is. On the other hand, he often puts his arms up too quickly - which as Bill Walton always pointed out - is a signal to the refs that you're waiving the white flag and bailing out as a defender on the play and gives them more freedom to call a foul if there's any type of contact. As Kanter learns both when to challenge shots and gains more respect from the officials, I think he will be an above-average defender at the center position. Not an elite shotblocker or guy who completely shuts down the paint but a Kenderick Perkins-type who plays terrific low-post defense on the defensive end.
On one hand, Kanter's often in good position and if he were a reputable positional defender like Jason Collins or Kenderick Perkins - it's unlikely he would be called for as many fouls as he is. On the other hand, he often puts his arms up too quickly - which as Bill Walton always pointed out - is a signal to the refs that you're waiving the white flag and bailing out as a defender on the play and gives them more freedom to call a foul if there's any type of contact. As Kanter learns both when to challenge shots and gains more respect from the officials, I think he will be an above-average defender at the center position. Not an elite shotblocker or guy who completely shuts down the paint but a Kenderick Perkins-type who plays terrific low-post defense on the defensive end.
I feel it necessary to once again add that the facts show that the Jazz play better defense with Kanter on the floor than they do with any other big. The difference between Kanter (1) and Jefferson (4) is more than 11 points per 100 possessions. He's already past 'above-average'.
BENTLEY
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Davis is the only one I'd give up about anything for. I think Miller might be as good as Barnes and I like our bigs better than Drummond or Robinson. I love K-G but not top 3.
I'd probably be willing to overpay and give up a lot more than others would if it would get the Jazz Davis. I liked what Zulu said about trading with Washington if they got the top pick.
I'd probably be willing to overpay and give up a lot more than others would if it would get the Jazz Davis. I liked what Zulu said about trading with Washington if they got the top pick.
BENTLEY
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I'd give them Kanter + one of our first round picks + a vet: Millsap or Jefferson or whatever I dunno. It's all hypothetical that I don't care to continue. KOC will do what KOC will do, and it will be conservative but probably ok.