When Should the Jazz Stop Tanking?

[KqWIN]

You can like a player and still think of them as a mega project. The Suns traded Kevin Durant for Maluach as the center piece of the trade and then immediately got two guys to play over him because they didn't think he was even slightly close to an NBA player yet.

I'm saying nobody who had Ace #3 on their board thought he could never play on the ball and it would take 4-5 years for him to be good. People who like Ace like him precisely for his on ball creation scoring.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

I'm saying nobody who had Ace #3 on their board thought he could never play on the ball and it would take 4-5 years for him to be good. People who like Ace like him precisely for his on ball creation scoring.

I mean, he was so incredibly far away as an on-ball scorer that it would make me even more confused if Austin thought he could reach that potential anytime soon.

Again, you don't draft 18 year olds who were bad in college if you're planning to turn this thing really soon and your star has a pretty obvious age countdown on them. Even if you think the 18 year old will be great eventually.

It was like the Blazers drafting Sharpe #6... The future was pretty obvious after that.

 

[KqWIN]

I mean, he was so incredibly far away as an on-ball scorer that it would make me even more confused if Austin thought he could reach that potential anytime soon.

Again, you don't draft 18 year olds who were bad in college if you're planning to turn this thing really soon and your star has a pretty obvious age countdown on them. Even if you think the 18 year old will be great eventually.

If your opinion was the only opinion to ever exist and nobody could ever think something different, you might be onto something. I'm not even disagreeing with you on his on ball scoring, what I'm saying is that many people were enchanted by his PPG and self created scoring.

 

[outerspacefan]

Where some people see tanking, I just see a bad team without no option to be much better.
Where some people see strategy, I just see semantics ("let's loose a lot"); strategy means lots of parts coherently being managed and executed.. I do not see that.

 

[David Hume]

Where some people see tanking, I just see a bad team without no option to be much better.
Where some people see strategy, I just see semantics ("let's loose a lot"); strategy means lots of parts coherently being managed and executed.. I do not see that.

But “let’s loose a lot” is of indeterminate meaning, because we presuppose that you mean “lose.” We have no definitive knowledge of your intentions.

 

[outerspacefan]

But “let’s loose a lot” is of indeterminate meaning, because we presuppose that you mean “lose.” We have no definitive knowledge of your intentions.

Sir, I won't be the one telling you that "definitive knowledge" is a misguided concept.
That said, "my semantics are loose" is an expression width good probability to be true

 

[tksavis]

at this point seeing all the young guys play…I have to conclude it’s going to be a long, long time before we can stop tanking.

 

[HeatCheck]

There are so many young studs in the WC: Wemby/Harper, Luka, SGA/Chet/Williams, Ant, Flagg.

They have little choice but to lose until they get a potential top 10 talent on the roster via draft/trade or whatever if they want to contend in the coming years.

They really don't need to lose on purpose as they don't have enough talented guys on the roster to compete on a nightly basis.

 

[fishonjazz]

at this point seeing all the young guys play…I have to conclude it’s going to be a long, long time before we can stop tanking.

Nah, they can decide to stop tanking whenever they want to. It's easy to stop tanking.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

If the Jazz start sitting Lauri on back to backs would that be considered unethical tanking shenanigans or just smart asset management?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If the Jazz start sitting Lauri on back to backs would that be considered unethical tanking shenanigans or just smart asset management?

smart asset management.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Look we may still suck next year... but it won't be nearly as intentional as it has been the last few years. They will compete for the play in starting next year and may fail miserably but won't have to manage the OKC pick and can point to flattened odds as part of a reason for hope.

 

[fishonjazz]

If the Jazz start sitting Lauri on back to backs would that be considered unethical tanking shenanigans or just smart asset management?

Why not both?
Unethical tanking shenanigans is smart asset management sometimes.

 

[KqWIN]

A few days ago it was crazy to bench Svi because of all the development he brings. I can't believe you guys would consider resting Lauri.