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When will Hayward surpass AK47 as the 2nd best Jazz SF of All Time?

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Somehow AK is a better passer than Hayward even though Hayward has way better assist averages. But AK did those fancy passes!
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Because Hayward has ball in his hands way more than AK ( usage rate 26% vs 20%) and his passes were coming from set up structured offense which is suppose to result in pass coming from Hayward. AK was way more creative as a passer. Same with Sabonis for example... some centers may have had a better assist average but was there ever better passing center then Sabonis - no way.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
If 26 year old AK was on our current team instead of Hayward we would not be winning nearly as much.
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Thats biggest BS. Put 26 year old AK near Gobert and most of the teams would forfeit before the game. We would have enough scoring without Hayward, AK's defense, rebounding and passing would give you more than enough to offset 6-7pts difference we would lose without Hayward.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Hayward would have made our defense so much better. I am also not convinced AK is a better man on man defender. Hayward does a great job of staying in front of his man, fighting through screens, properly rotating much better than AK ever did..
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Just admit you never watched prime AK. I will repeat again Haywards defense is so overrated by this board it is even not funny. Just look at advance stats like opponent FG% and defensive ratings - Hayward is slightly above average, prime AK was elite. There is a reason Hayward was never mentioned in All defensive team voting.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Hayward is the far superior man defender I remember there was a game last year where they showed a graphic where he gave up the second least points to sf's. Where AK sacrificed his position defense for his numbers, Hayward sacrificed individual numbers to keep his man from scoring. I'll take the better position defense over the greater blocks and steals numbers every time.
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Prove it with advanced defensive stats. I dare you. All you will find looking at all advanced defensive stats that Hayward is nothing special as defender. Good luck!
 
MVP said:
Just admit you never watched prime AK. I will repeat again Haywards defense is so overrated by this board it is even not funny. Just look at advance stats like opponent FG% and defensive ratings - Hayward is slightly above average, prime AK was elite. There is a reason Hayward was never mentioned in All defensive team voting.
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Saying "advance stats!!" Without pointing out which stats you're talking about isn't helpful-- there's advanced stats that currently appraise Kawhi Leonard as a sieve on defence
 
AK's skills were very unique for a PF, especially in his era. Unfortunately, he was made expendable by Carlos Boozer & Deron Williams, two players which Hayward might outdo in terms of legacy with the Jazz
 
MVP said:
Just admit you never watched prime AK. I will repeat again Haywards defense is so overrated by this board it is even not funny. Just look at advance stats like opponent FG% and defensive ratings - Hayward is slightly above average, prime AK was elite. There is a reason Hayward was never mentioned in All defensive team voting.
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Never missed a game his whole career here. It's okay, I'm guessing he was your favorite player. Maybe the reason you became a real Jazz fan.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Never missed a game his whole career here. It's okay, I'm guessing he was your favorite player. Maybe the reason you became a real Jazz fan.
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No the reason I became Jazz fan was 1996 playoffs when they came back from 3-1 down to Seattle to tie it and just to lose in game 7...Stockton and Malone was so special. Before that we would not be able to see much of NBA back in Eastern Europe.
 
When you end up on all NBA no defense team means you can't ever be talked as good defender.

https://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawak...ard-james-harden-monta-ellis-and-many-others/

Gordon Hayward, Utah. Richard Jefferson was a much worse wing player for Utah this season, in every way. Heck, Jefferson probably was one of the four or five worst rotation players in the league this season. (Others: Arron Afflalo, Mo Harkless, Bargnani, and either Al-Farouq Aminu or Tony Wroten.)

But I’m putting Hayward on the ND 2nd team because he had a -1.59 DRPM, ranking him 339th, and he just never looked like he was ready to emerge from the Jazz’s defensive morass.

I keep waiting for Hayward to show that he’s figuring it out… and he hasn’t shown anything like that yet.
 
MVP said:
When you end up on all NBA no defense team means you can't ever be talked as good defender.

https://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawak...ard-james-harden-monta-ellis-and-many-others/

Gordon Hayward, Utah. Richard Jefferson was a much worse wing player for Utah this season, in every way. Heck, Jefferson probably was one of the four or five worst rotation players in the league this season. (Others: Arron Afflalo, Mo Harkless, Bargnani, and either Al-Farouq Aminu or Tony Wroten.)

But I’m putting Hayward on the ND 2nd team because he had a -1.59 DRPM, ranking him 339th, and he just never looked like he was ready to emerge from the Jazz’s defensive morass.

I keep waiting for Hayward to show that he’s figuring it out… and he hasn’t shown anything like that yet.
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Lmao um Tim Kawakami is very well known as a dunce. Also pls go look up Kawhi's current DRPM
 
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