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When will Snyder or Gobert become responsible for our offensive woes?

Looked at the lineup data... on/off team stuff points right at Jeff Green, Niang, and Tony Bradley... Jeff's rebound and assist numbers are putrid... dude is being way too selfish but I'm not sure we can bench him.

How's about we trade Green and Dante for Marvin Williams... sadly I'm guessing Charlotte would want more since Marvin's deal is expiring... so send a couple seconds? Tomic's rights?
 
Bawse Dawg said:
The good thing about such a reactionary fan base; when we win the next three everyone will be back on the bandwagon.
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We are reactionary for sure... and we should be more patient... but also don't dismiss the merits of thin-slicing. Sometimes small samples have merit. We can see certain things/trends that aren't working.

The biggest issue I see is Jeff... the rebounding, passing, and defense are really bad. Since he's a vet we can't bench or cut him without consequence and we don't have a replacement since Niang has sucked too. I'm curious what real plus minus will say about him... but his on/off numbers are pretty telling. We can bench Bradley and Niang without issue... so cutting that fat isn't as big of a problem. If he wasn't Jeff Green he'd be benched.
 
I don't care for our default towards the end of games being iso for six foot nothing DM. Give Bogey a chance or if need be bring in the "microwave".....Mudiay.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean this is just wildly incorrect. Hill and Rubio had career years while playing for Quin... so Conley has sucked for 10 games... not sure that’s on Quin.

Quin needs to change some things up or get through to our players but they also need to run the stuff and make some shots. I doubt Quin designed his offense to get 400 floaters a game. It needs to be corrected... and that is on him.
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Rubio had a career year in term of FG% and points scored but his assists dropped from 9 apg to 5.3 & 6.1 apg. So statistically I wouldn't say that's a career year, especially when you factor in natural improvement for entering into his prime years. And the fact that they left him wide open for a lot of those shots.

Hill did match his best year in Indiana (which was two years prior to playing with the Jazz) in terms of total stats. But Hill was the only one with previous experience running the SAS offense. 3 years of it in fact.

If Quin's offense takes 3 years to get used to before the point guard can become effective, I don't think that's a good a system.
 
magic said:
Rubio had a career year in term of FG% and points scored but his assists dropped from 9 apg to 5.3 & 6.1 apg. So statistically I wouldn't say that's a career year, especially when you factor in natural improvement for entering into his prime years. And the fact that they left him wide open for a lot of those shots.

Hill did match his best year in Indiana (which was two years prior to playing with the Jazz) in terms of total stats. But Hill was the only one with previous experience running the SAS offense. 3 years of it in fact.

If Quin's offense takes 3 years to get used to before the point guard can become effective, I don't think that's a good a system.
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Your phrase was all our guards end up sucking... Hill was amazing and Ricky had the best scoring FG percentage years... his assists were down as you noted. That is not all our guards sucking. Conley has struggled to get going but it’s super early and some of those first few games were putrid. Month of November he’s getting slightly better...his shooting numbers are down but raw stats are close to career averages... so I think he needs another 10-15 games to fully acclimate... just think saying all of the guards end up sucking is factually incorrect. Hill and Rubio are the only real potential examples and I would say the opposite of sucking was what they did... Ricky’s raw numbers are up this year but on a per minute basis they are actually slightly lower.


Conleys start is concerning but he also has the biggest adjustment of any of those guys. Hopefully this isn’t his new normal... I’m still going to believe in his last 12 years over the last 2 months.
 
Jazzta said:
Lol, how would you remember that detail from 20 years ago on a videogame
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Because I didn't even know about the rule until then, and I honestly hadn't seen it since. Legitimately.
 
We basically have a brand new team with a new second and third option players. There is no offensive rhythm other than a spurt here and there. Didn’t the heat start off with a losing record or something close to that when James Bosh and Wade came together? They did eventually go on a big winning streak that first year. It’s been 13or so games, it’s time to relax, it’s painfully obvious this team needs time to gel
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
@infection remembers everything... he has a pornographic memory.
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When I was in 4th grade I was pretty into baseball. This was during the time of the controversial baseball strike. Time magazine had it on the cover. It was this issue:

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I was thumbing through it because of the cover and as I passed an article about Woodstock (the 1994 revamp), there was a small picture of a naked woman on top of a guy’s shoulders in the crowd holding up two peace signs. I was totally blown away by this because I never expected to find nudity in a random magazine at home. So, I did what any other kid would do and I cut it out and took it to school. Obviously, other kids were more careless about this than I was and someone told the teacher, who confiscated the picture. Back in those days we had what we called “RC cards.” I don’t even know what RC stood for, but the RC card was basically something that if you did something bad, you’d get a check mark on it. Your parents had to sign them each week. Anyway, the teacher wrote about that and just said “bad pictures” and left it vague. That gave me some latitude to craft a more palatable story. I was deathly afraid of my parents knowing, though. Anyway, apparently the teacher stapled that picture to another kid’s RC card. When he came over to my house he’s like “here’s your picture back” with my mom in the same room. He was a little slow.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
We basically have a brand new team with a new second and third option players. There is no offensive rhythm other than a spurt here and there. Didn’t the heat start off with a losing record or something close to that when James Bosh and Wade came together? They did eventually go on a big winning streak that first year. It’s been 13or so games, it’s time to relax, it’s painfully obvious this team needs time to gel
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solid post
 
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