♪alt13
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The criticisms of Trump are warranted. They come from conservatives as well as liberals. The next president is going to look brilliant in comparison. He or she will feel like the savior of the Republic.
White House Discord: Bob Woodward Book, NYT Op-Ed
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The criticisms of Trump are warranted. They come from conservatives as well as liberals. The next president is going to look brilliant in comparison. He or she will feel like the savior of the Republic.
No, I won’t “stahp”. There is absolutely valid criticisms of Trump. Guys an idiot.
But if you want to act like this doesnt also fit a larger trend, beyond presidents, you are intentionally fooling yourself.
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What a weirdo. Sounds insane
Red
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Although this article speaks well of Obama, the ex-president having entered the battle for Congress yesterday, it's what these two paragraphs say about Trump that struck me as so spot on. The man does nothing but speak to our baser instincts, never our higher angels. Never. What kind of a leader cannot even attempt to inspire us, can never remind us of our commonalities, spends his days spitting out angry tweet after angry tweet? Demagogues speak to the fears, anger, anxieties of the disaffected in their societies. And Trump is that kind of man. A small man when you come right down to it. Not worthy in the least. Unfit. We don't deserve this:
"Whatever you thought of his policy choices, no one can say Obama didn’t regularly call Americans to be their best selves. We expect to hear that kind of unifying rhetoric from presidents of both parties. But one remarkable thing about Trump is that he never appeals to the better angels of our nature. He never asks Americans to be thoughtful, or generous, or kind, or empathetic, or considerate, or inclusive. Since Trump possesses none of those virtues, he can’t bring himself to demand them of others.
What he does instead is appeal to what is worst in people, like their fear and hatred and bigotry. This is the place where Trump truly has a touch of political genius: He can see into the dark depths of the American soul, find the ugliest things lying there, and wrench them up to the surface."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/07/obama-just-delivered-his-answer-to-trumps-authoritarianism
"Whatever you thought of his policy choices, no one can say Obama didn’t regularly call Americans to be their best selves. We expect to hear that kind of unifying rhetoric from presidents of both parties. But one remarkable thing about Trump is that he never appeals to the better angels of our nature. He never asks Americans to be thoughtful, or generous, or kind, or empathetic, or considerate, or inclusive. Since Trump possesses none of those virtues, he can’t bring himself to demand them of others.
What he does instead is appeal to what is worst in people, like their fear and hatred and bigotry. This is the place where Trump truly has a touch of political genius: He can see into the dark depths of the American soul, find the ugliest things lying there, and wrench them up to the surface."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/09/07/obama-just-delivered-his-answer-to-trumps-authoritarianism
Red
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Yeah man, this is why he's like the emperor with no clothes. All one need do is listen to one of his rally speeches, for even 5 minutes, tough I know, but it's really proof positive that there is something wrong. Very wrong. The guy is bonkers. I suspect Woodward's book will likely be the baseline for History's judgement. Man, I hope we can turn the page soon.
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♪alt13
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People have always been hyper critical of the opposition but this is different. We don't criticize Trump enough. We can't keep up. It is constant everyday multiple times a day he does or says something that decent people should criticize. Yes the next president will be criticized but that person will almost assuredly not turn the presidency into a dumpster fire and keep throwing on more trash. That person will almost certainly have at least a few moments of appearing like a statesman.
Zombie
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I think the sheer volume of scandals, ****ups, and gaffes actually works in Trump's favor. It doesn't allow much to really stick in the public consciousness, because there's always something new to cover. His sham of a charitable foundation alone would be enough to dog any other presidency and when's the last time that led on the nightly news?
Darkwing Duck
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Seems politicians are getting people to believe two things. A) There needs to be absolutely, unequivocally equal criticism of both parties. That allows you to do worse things than the other party 'cause you'll be able to complain about not having equal criticism when you do more to be be criticized for. B) There's a baseline of how much criticism politics can get. That allows you to have no end on the bad things you do 'cause you can't keep piling on, as that exceeds the baseline.
Really removes the accountability.
Really removes the accountability.
And yet the opposition will act like he’s the devil himself. Or do you really believe the Rs (the likely losers of the next presidency) will not try and act like the next President isn’t the end of everything?
F trump. Doesn’t mean DC as whole isn’t a spiraling dumpster fire. Don’t get distracted that this one fire is burning a different color.
Also trump is critiqued and condemned constantly. Don’t act like he isn’t. And he should be.
♪alt13
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Come on dude we haven't had a dumpster fire like this since at least Nixon. And honestly Nixon actually gave a **** about stuff and was not ******* crazy. So maybe that isn't fair to Dick.
Yes Trump is critiqued constantly but it still isn't enough because he does or says something unbecoming of the presidency before the current criticism can be digested.
And I predict that the next president while be vilified even worse. Deservingly or not.
Not sure why you’re trying to attack trump to me. F him. Just a train wreck. He still fits the pattern.