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bigb said:
I'm offended that you were offended when I said I was offended that you were offended when I was offended.
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Don't care. You lost the right to be offended when you made the decision to become white.
 
JAZZGASM said:
So people can't be proud of their heritage if they are white, but it is OK for people of any other ethnicity? What about in 15 years when whites are the minorities? Will it be OK then?
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And what is white heritage? There is German heritage, Polish heritage, Italian Heritage, British heritage . . . etc., but what, pray tell, is white heritage (other than code word for racism)?

If whites become an oppressed minority and victims of a systematic attempt to deny them full partication in society, economy and political system, then I suppose it may become OK then. But, really, given historic precedent, what are the odds of that happening?
 
JAZZGASM said:
Exactly the response I was hoping for. As we have discussed before, I do not think any group should focus help only based on race, but it is OK for non white groups to do so. As we have discussed before, I believe all people should be treated equally based on their situation, not their color. There are many very disadvantaged white people that will never have a chance. Who cares how many other white people have had an advantage? We have had this discussion before, and I do not think we need to do it again. :)
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But then disadvantaged white people are not disadvantaged because of their race or skin color. The same cannot be said for (many) disadvantaged black people.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
And what is white heritage? There is German heritage, Polish heritage, Italian Heritage, British heritage . . . etc., but what, pray tell, is white heritage (other than code word for racism)?
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What is black heritage? Do all blacks come from the same country?
 
fishonjazz said:
What is black heritage? Do all blacks come from the same country?
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Black culture has been homogenized because they were stripped of their identities and enslaved when coming to the US. Their identities were reformed as Black Americans, which is now the identity they share as a group.

Actually think about the stuff jimmy is saying. He's right. What is it precisely that white people want their unions to stand up for?
 
dalamon said:
Black culture has been homogenized because they were stripped of their identities and enslaved when coming to the US. Their identities were reformed as Black Americans, which is now the identity they share as a group.

Actually think about the stuff jimmy is saying. He's right. What is it precisely that white people want their unions to stand up for?
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I think Jimmy has some good points and his different view point is often quite valuable.

But white American culture is quite different than white German culture, white British culture, white French culture, white Swiss culture... I think this is an ineffective argument. I will concede that black Americans had it stripped away by force up front where white Americans have had it stripped away simply by time and generations.

The way it happened is undeniably worse for blacks. But either way the cultures are different here than overseas, white or black. I don't think Jimmy's argument for that was a good one.
 
dalamon said:
Actually think about the stuff jimmy is saying. He's right. What is it precisely that white people want their unions to stand up for?
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Do you only ask questions?

FWIW, Jimmy and Siro have been on point in this thread/on this topic (lest you lump me in with Joe and Jamezz). It's too bad you won't consider the points they're making.
 
dalamon said:
Black culture has been homogenized because they were stripped of their identities and enslaved when coming to the US. Their identities were reformed as Black Americans, which is now the identity they share as a group.
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Good answer
 
Stoked said:
The way it happened is undeniably worse for blacks. But either way the cultures are different here than overseas, white or black. I don't think Jimmy's argument for that was a good one.
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You're missing the point.

What's the difference between the dominant American culture and what you're calling 'white American culture'? That dominant American culture has historically been exclusionary on the basis of race. When you call American culture 'white culture', or form 'white' cultural groups, you're effectively saying that the dominant American culture/community is still only available to 'white' people. If you're not 'white', you're not welcome.

An excluded 'race' forming a group does so to find solidarity against this exclusion. There is a clear difference in this distinction.

Further, I've not seen any groups that celebrate a particular European ethnic heritage -- Irish, Spanish, German, etc. -- being railed against. While these cultures/ethnicities may have a history of exclusion/racism, they aren't intrinsically racist. You can be a 'black' German; you can't really be a 'black' 'white'-American.

With that said, I still don't think idiots should be barred from forming idiotic groups or expressing idiotic opinions (for various reasons I'd be happy to discuss if Dal ever answers some of the questions he's been asked).
 
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