White Student Union

[franklin]

Being white and thinking that all the great things that have happened are because of our white heritage, ignoring the extermination of Native Americans, slavery, institutional discrimination, is pretty ****ing dumb, imo. And it is about the punching up vs punching down thing. Why, when you are in a position of privilege, would you need to go around hooting and hollering about how great it is to be you? I can tell you one reason, to prop up "your kind" and continue to discriminatory practices that keep "others" down. So yeah, it's distasteful to me. To put it in sports terms, it's like being a very bad winner.

To play the devil's advocate, how about other racial pride organizations? Every single ethnicity has its own history of atrocities. And I don't mean a little. Look at the history of the Aztecs or Maya. Or the role that African slavers played in slavery. Why can't Europeans be proud of their positive achievements if others can?

Should euro-centric society look down on the Spaniards or look down on the Maya and Aztec?
Should we look down on western civilization or should we look down on Native Americans?

That discussion tends to forget why people sought to tame what they perceived as savages. It's no different than our current stance against ISIS. We perceive them as savages who do not respect or fight for basic human rights.

This is a time old characteristic of humanity. Go back to the days of kings. They ruled with an iron fist and did things we don't approve of by modern standards. But they did it to protect against and control what they perceived as savagery.

It's not going to be any different tomorrow.

 

[Archie Moses]

Fyi, just in case it's not clear, I posted this because it would be click-bait, controversial and make for an interesting discussion. I am noy for white student unions. If minorities feel the need to meet, bond and relate, then all to them.

 

[Stoked]

Fyi, just in case it's not clear, I posted this because it would be click-bait, controversial and make for an interesting discussion. I am noy for white student unions. If minorities feel the need to meet, bond and relate, then all to them.

I am for them in the sense that I am for black student unions. Sure you can have them but I don't think they are a good idea and you wont catch me joining any of them as I think they don't help.

This growing trend towards self segregation is not helping.

 

[VINYLONE]

I am for them in the sense that I am for black student unions. Sure you can have them but I don't think they are a good idea and you wont catch me joining any of them as I think they don't help.

This growing trend towards self segregation is not helping.

I don't think there's a comparison, especially if we are talking about the run-of-the-mill BSU's across this country. Take this one for instance, Googles example when searching "Black Student Union."

https://rockchalkcentral.ku.edu/organization/BSU

What sticks out to you when you see their banned?

or when you click on their profile link:

The Black Student Union was created on the University of Kansas in 1968. Since then we have focused on the building of the black community, but membership is by no means limited to just the black community.

Here's the vision statement from the NBSU:

The vision of NBSU is to; link Black Student Unions at national, regional and state forums; encourage Black Student Unions to pursue graduate and professional study; network Black Student Unions in pursuit of public, private, and non-profit employment; maximize the participation of Black Student Unions in select campus curricular and co-curricular activities ….STEM, study abroad, undergraduate research and student government/leadership.

Again, are these black unions functioning at the consequence of others races? The black community suffers from fatherless families, an incarceration rate far higher than for every other race and a host of other problems. Black unions seem to me to add a sense of discipline and goal oriented thinking which is usually wholly needed in many communities regardless of race.

 

[Stoked]

I don't think there's a comparison, especially if we are talking about the run-of-the-mill BSU's across this country. Take this one for instance, Googles example when searching "Black Student Union."

https://rockchalkcentral.ku.edu/organization/BSU

What sticks out to you when you see their banned?

or when you click on their profile link:



Here's the vision statement from the NBSU:



Again, are these black unions functioning at the consequence of others races? The black community suffers from fatherless families, an incarceration rate far higher than for every other race and a host of other problems. Black unions seem to me to add a sense of discipline and goal oriented thinking which is usually wholly needed in many communities regardless of race.

All I am saying is that this trend towards race specific groups is a bad idea. We need more inclusion and exposure on an intimate level. Not self segregation. So on that level they are comparable.

 

[VINYLONE]

All I am saying is that this trend towards race specific groups is a bad idea. We need more inclusion and exposure on an intimate level. Not self segregation. So on that level they are comparable.

I think if you use a different purview when thinking of these unions, you'd hopefully understand better. These unions have less to do with race and more to do with culture.

 

[Archie Moses]

I think if you use a different purview when thinking of these unions, you'd hopefully understand better. These unions have less to do with race and more to do with culture.

This. As someone who is on college campuses a lot (especially minority heavy ones) and interacts with both students and faculty, I see these unions as a cultural thingy more than a segregation thingy.

 

[Stoked]

I think if you use a different purview when thinking of these unions, you'd hopefully understand better. These unions have less to do with race and more to do with culture.

They can have more to do with culture than race. They don't always achieve that. White Unions can do the same.

Either way my point stands. It's not that I don't "understand", it's that I don't agree. But that's OK. I will still stick up for their right to form along pretty much whatever lines they wish.

 

[VINYLONE]

White Unions can do the same.

They can? Give me an example.

 

[Stoked]

They can? Give me an example.

The White Student Union was created on the University of Kansas in 1968. Since then we have focused on the building of the white community, but membership is by no means limited to just the white community.

The vision of NWSU is to; link White Student Unions at national, regional and state forums; encourage White Student Unions to pursue graduate and professional study; network White Student Unions in pursuit of public, private, and non-profit employment; maximize the participation of White Student Unions in select campus curricular and co-curricular activities ….STEM, study abroad, undergraduate research and student government/leadership.


Taken from your own post. You shouldn't confuse "don't" with "can't".

I just disagree with unions/groups/months that self segregate, regardless of the criteria used. (there are exceptions like women's abuse shelters) I see why they do it. I just think it's ineffective and can lead to hard feelings.

 

[VINYLONE]

The White Student Union was created on the University of Kansas in 1968. Since then we have focused on the building of the white community, but membership is by no means limited to just the white community.

The vision of NWSU is to; link White Student Unions at national, regional and state forums; encourage White Student Unions to pursue graduate and professional study; network White Student Unions in pursuit of public, private, and non-profit employment; maximize the participation of White Student Unions in select campus curricular and co-curricular activities ….STEM, study abroad, undergraduate research and student government/leadership.


Taken from your own post. You shouldn't confuse "don't" with "can't".

I just disagree with unions/groups/months that self segregate, regardless of the criteria used. (there are exceptions like women's abuse shelters) I see why they do it. I just think it's ineffective and can lead to hard feelings.

Heh.

 

[Deleted member 848]

No they don't. What an absurd statement. The authoritarian mind at work!

give an example of a white student union not clamouring for America's heinous past in the days of slavery, rife with implicit and explicit desires for a racist environment.