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Whiteside Is Going to Be Good

Hassan has had a positive plus minus in every game except the last one. He was very good and individual plus minus is not a great measure... unless it is consistent. His on/off splits are bonkers. I enjoy his game... his antics... the fact he will also likely lose us a game with his non-sense at some point is something we can totally overlook.

Do you remember the days of just watching the clock waiting for the time that Rudy could check back in so we would stop being garbage? Those were painfully slow minutes... no more with Whiteside. I just hope we don't do something dumb and let him walk because we think Udoka is ready to take over. This assumes Hassan continues to be a positive. I don't think he's gonna get a big offer elsewhere. If we have to go over the minimum to keep him do it for hells sake.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hassan has had a positive plus minus in every game except the last one. He was very good and individual plus minus is not a great measure... unless it is consistent. His on/off splits are bonkers. I enjoy his game... his antics... the fact he will also likely lose us a game with his non-sense at some point is something we can totally overlook.

Do you remember the days of just watching the clock waiting for the time that Rudy could check back in so we would stop being garbage? Those were painfully slow minutes... no more with Whiteside. I just hope we don't do something dumb and let him walk because we think Udoka is ready to take over. This assumes Hassan continues to be a positive. I don't think he's gonna get a big offer elsewhere. If we have to go over the minimum to keep him do it for hells sake.
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This is why we needed to evaluate what we needed from that spot a long time ago. I'm actually in the camp that we didn't have to evaluate that at all as it was painfully obvious. But we got lost on focusing on nostalgia, feel goods, and total overall talent rather than fit. We could have dodged all the nonsense by making Udoh a primary backup a long time ago and showing that you don't need high level talent, just very specific talent, to exceed in that role.

But what do I know?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hassan has had a positive plus minus in every game except the last one. He was very good and individual plus minus is not a great measure... unless it is consistent. His on/off splits are bonkers. I enjoy his game... his antics... the fact he will also likely lose us a game with his non-sense at some point is something we can totally overlook.

Do you remember the days of just watching the clock waiting for the time that Rudy could check back in so we would stop being garbage? Those were painfully slow minutes... no more with Whiteside. I just hope we don't do something dumb and let him walk because we think Udoka is ready to take over. This assumes Hassan continues to be a positive. I don't think he's gonna get a big offer elsewhere. If we have to go over the minimum to keep him do it for hells sake.
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If Hassan continues to play well he will get a decent offer but finding a back up C who fits our needs is not easy. The Jazz were very lucky to have gotten HW on the cheap.
 
When your best player is Gobert and you’re paying him the supermax I don’t think you should use anything more than a minimum to find his backup. If the backup stinks…so what it was just a minimum deal and Rudy is going to play more in the playoffs anyways.

Where you get into trouble is when you spend several first round draft picks and MLE’s to fill the least important spot on your roster. Backup C is also the easiest position to fill on the minimum because teams aren’t using as many bigs these days.
 
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gomretat said:
If Hassan continues to play well he will get a decent offer but finding a back up C who fits our needs is not easy. The Jazz were very lucky to have gotten HW on the cheap.
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I doubt it. At his age he is likely locked into minimum deals. He's in the Dwight Howard mold now. If he gets slightly more... BAE maybe... its worth keeping him around.
 
gomretat said:
If Hassan continues to play well he will get a decent offer but finding a back up C who fits our needs is not easy. The Jazz were very lucky to have gotten HW on the cheap.
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It's not that they're hard to find, it's that we don't look at the specific skillset needed and instead look at a player globally and deem them unfit. Here is a short list off the top of my head of guys who have been fairly available for cheap that can fill those needs and that role:

Andrew Bogut
Joakim Noah
Ekpe Udoh
Javale McGee

If we hadn't signed Whiteside to actually seen what he's done, he'd be a guy in a thread like this where we'd dismiss him with a "nah, he sucks." The biggest problem we got lost on was looking at Favors overall and then comparing anyone else who has more specific skills and perceiving the drop of as "Favors is so much better, _____ sucks."
 
And I posed this question in the game thread but will ask again here: if you entirely take the cost out of it, would anyone still prefer Favors to Whiteside?
 
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It's not that they're hard to find, it's that we don't look at the specific skillset needed and instead look at a player globally and deem them unfit. Here is a short list off the top of my head of guys who have been fairly available for cheap that can fill those needs and that role:

Andrew Bogut
Joakim Noah
Ekpe Udoh
Javale McGee

If we hadn't signed Whiteside to actually seen what he's done, he'd be a guy in a thread like this where we'd dismiss him with a "nah, he sucks." The biggest problem we got lost on was looking at Favors overall and then comparing anyone else who has more specific skills and perceiving the drop of as "Favors is so much better, _____ sucks."
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Add Alex Len and Dwayne Dedmon to that list.

I will say that Whiteside is so big that he stands out a little from the rest of the group. I think if you search for what like 4-5 years for a good solution... why not... IDK just pay a little more for the known solution. I doubt he gets more than the minimum... he likely gets BAE at most... if that is what it takes then pay it... its a difference of $1m or so. Its totally worth investing that amount. Go ahead and sell off Udoka and replace his spot with a second round guy... BAM!!! you saved the money to keep him.
 
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