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Why a lockout would be good for the Jazz

Sirkickyass said:
To be honest I think there's a fairly large impediment to this plan: Any hard cap that doesn't also roll back salaries proportionately is going to almost mandate the breakup of the Bosh/Wade/James combination. I get the feeling there's a lot of power players in this that adamantly don't want to see that happen.
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Are you saying that most of the league's power players want the Heat to stay intact?
 
Jazz4ever said:
There are a lot of things wrong with a hard cap though. Fast forward about 4 years when Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter are all up for restricted free agency. Lets say the Jazz drafted incredibly well and two are all stars and two are solid starters. They are entering their prime and the Jazz have made a WCF appearance but lost. A hard cap would mean two of these players would be plucked from us like ripe apples on a tree. Most likely by down and out franchises who made poor decisions drafting and in free agency. Yet because of the hard cap, they get a free accelerated rebuild at the Jazz expense. The Jazz playoff hopes for the future are now dashed, a victim of their own success. They will likely spend the next several years on the tread mill, not good enough to make the playoffs, and not bad enough to get a high lottery pick. You might argue the Jazz can turn around and do the same, but remember they will always be second choice to any player in free agency, even with limits on payroll.
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Way to bring me down.
 
Jazz4ever said:
There are a lot of things wrong with a hard cap though. Fast forward about 4 years when Hayward, Favors, Burks, and Kanter are all up for restricted free agency. Lets say the Jazz drafted incredibly well and two are all stars and two are solid starters. They are entering their prime and the Jazz have made a WCF appearance but lost. A hard cap would mean two of these players would be plucked from us like ripe apples on a tree. Most likely by down and out franchises who made poor decisions drafting and in free agency. Yet because of the hard cap, they get a free accelerated rebuild at the Jazz expense. The Jazz playoff hopes for the future are now dashed, a victim of their own success. They will likely spend the next several years on the tread mill, not good enough to make the playoffs, and not bad enough to get a high lottery pick. You might argue the Jazz can turn around and do the same, but remember they will always be second choice to any player in free agency, even with limits on payroll.
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This is way too dire. If Hayward, Favors, Kanter, and Burks are all so good, they'll all have fantastic trade value. Whether you have a hard or soft cap, teams will have high paid guys, low paid guys, and rookie contract guys. The problem will always be the same: which guys get the big money. When you choose wrong, you pay in the win column.
 
A lockout would be horrible for the Jazz.

A team as young and unproven both as a roster and coaching staff needs time to play and to gel. I worry especially about Kanter, who hasn't played ball in nearly a year. If the season is lost, he will have lost 2 years of PT. Of course, he can and probably will play overseas. But it's not the same....

A lockout. if the outcome is what the owners want happens, will be a great thing. The innmates are running the nuthouse in the NBA. Too many lazy *** players with their huge contracts. I also believe that several powerful owners (like Cuban and Paul Allen) don't want to see too hard of a cap. They love outspending everyone else and buying up all star teams. Hopefully though, smaller guys, like us, win out.

If it takes a year to set things right, then so be it. Enough Boozers, AKs, Rashard Lewises, Miami Heats, and T-macs. It's time to get this thing under control.

Besides, there's always college basketball.
 
a lockout isn't good for anybody. much less a young team that needs to develop a bunch of kids. what would help the jazz is revenue-sharing, which was the discussion at today's board of governor's meeting. hopefully the outcome will be good for the jazz... and, ya know, bad for la, ny, chicago, miami...
 
Stern hasn't said, and he's indicated no details whatsoever how they'll determine the draft order if the 11-12 season is lost.

But here's what the NHL apparently did in a similar situation:
As a lockout cancelled the 2004–05 NHL season, the draft order was determined by lottery on July 22, 2005. Teams were assigned 1 to 3 balls based on their playoff appearances and first overall draft picks from the past three years. According to the draft order, the selection worked its way up to 30 as usual; then instead of repeating the order as in past years, the draft "snaked" back down to the team with the first pick. Therefore the team with the first pick overall would not pick again until the 60th pick. The team with the 30th pick would also get the 31st pick. The draft was only seven rounds in length, compared to nine rounds in years past. The labor dispute caused the shortened draft.
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Jazz Punk Rocker said:
What happens with the draft order if there is no season?
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Unknown at this time, but I'd be surprised if it ends up being based off of last season's results. The league will take one look at that option and conclude that it creates too much reward for tanking last season. The Jazz would make out like bandits if that's how they did it, though.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Unknown at this time, but I'd be surprised if it ends up being based off of last season's results. The league will take one look at that option and conclude that it creates too much reward for tanking last season. The Jazz would make out like bandits if that's how they did it, though.
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Stern will let the opposite happen...

Miami and LA will pick in the top 5...

;)
 
a lockout while not good for the players or the teams is what this league needs. There was no way the players were just going to accept that they need major changes to the league. In the end the lockout could be what saves this league.

If they come out of this lockout with profit sharing and a hard cap then the league will be in better shape than it was before the lock out. If they also abolish guaranteed contracts then the league could be in great shape going forward.
 
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