Why are gun owners afraid to admit they own guns?

[babe]

Perhaps if you had more of an understanding about things from the perspective of people who are not 2nd Amendment fanatics, and a bit more common sense to boot, you'd comphrehend better why an armed and open carrying citizenry creates an intimdating, threatening social culture/environment. More, I'm not scared of guns, I'm wary of the people who wield them. You'll note from my other posts that I fully support gun ownership rights, so that's a box you'll need to take me out of.

I've not suggested that the ONLY reason people want to carry is to show of or be intimidating. I recongize there may be a number of reasons, but it's naive to dismiss the ego/social statement factor here, as ego, and the desire to make social statements about ourselves (including, for example, what clothes we wear, what car we drive, what house we buy, etc.) drives so much of what we do. I'm very hard pressed to believe that those openly packing are immune from such a fundamental human need.

As for the dangers of an armed and openly packing citizenry, I belive the many, many, many examples of accidental shootings, escalting disputes, rash decisions, ill-perceived threats, etc. in which guns are used to violent or deadly means (which far drawf the times guns are used by law-abiding citizens for legitimate self defense purposes, or to defend others) more than adequately attests to why we should be concerned about an openly gun packing citizenry.

We should be afraid of people like you who sincerely believe they understand others and can offer free advice, if not pass actual legislation, requiring others to intellectually conform your exalted but arrogant notions of superiority.

I think, if you were an American, we should establish houses or camps of re-education until you can break free of your cult convictions. Interventions work on many forms of delusion. . . . j/k

On one occasion, a clan of local yokels predominant in my area was asserting their ancestral "right" to hunt on my property. I went out, unarmed, to apprise them of the error of their ways. One of their number, a known extreme pot user and alcoholic, came up to my truck and pointed his deer rifle between my eyes, sneering some sort of insult to the effect that my point of view was irrelevant. I knew he was a coward, and I knew his mother-in-law looking on could be counted on to do nothing, but I talked him down to the fact that he was on my land, and he, and they, decided to just leave.

Maybe I am not smart enough to be afraid, but I'd rather have these people to deal with than people like you, whom I consider vastly more dangerous.

 

[babe]

oh, no, Green didn't like my post. Look, I've been reading UN agenda publications since the sixties, where it is openly declared that privately-held guns must be abolished and that national armies must be apportioned to keep the peace, no winners no losers allowed but whoever the UN chiefs choose.

When you follow the money, the anti-gun rhetoric always goes back to ideologues of that super-clan. They are fascists, world-class fascists. You don't get to elect UN leaders. You don't get a direct public vote on UN agendas or policies. Human beings are considered property to be managed, like cattle.

I stand on the statement that "idealists" who support the UN agendas and policies are more dangerous than my gun-toting neighbors. These neighbors have their own agendas and policies for sure, but mostly they respect people who have the guts to take a stand for their rights.

Since my little discussion with the deer hunters, I've provided small stacks of hay in the fields where they can come and sit camouflaged while reducing the tons of alfalfa the deer eat off my fields.

 

[green]

Maybe I am not smart enough to be afraid, but I'd rather have these people to deal with than people like you, whom I consider vastly more dangerous.

Since you mocked me, this is what I don't like.

I'm much more afraid of a person/institution/government that is afraid of ideas and promotes weapons instead. Show me a government/society/church/etc that valued weapons over ideas and how that turned out better for everyone.

 

[LogGrad98]

Since you mocked me, this is what I don't like.

I'm much more afraid of a person/institution/government that is afraid of ideas and promotes weapons instead. Show me a government/society/church/etc that valued weapons over ideas and how that turned out better for everyone.

Unfortunately history is rife with examples of both sides of that equation falling. Rampant ideology with strict gun control has actually been shown to be far worse than the opposite.

 

[LogGrad98]

Since you mocked me, this is what I don't like.

I'm much more afraid of a person/institution/government that is afraid of ideas and promotes weapons instead. Show me a government/society/church/etc that valued weapons over ideas and how that turned out better for everyone.

Unfortunately history is rife with examples of both sides of that equation falling. Rampant ideology with strict gun control has actually been shown to be far worse than the opposite.

 

[franklin]

Since those who carry openly are so much more prone to accidental shootings, escalating disputes, etc etc, I'm sure you could pull up some statistics proving such. Until then, sounds like a good bit of poor rhetoric and fear mongering. Oh and btw, people open carrying are law-abiding citizens. Let's not assume otherwise.

Stop responding to Dalamon's trolls.

 

[babe]

Since you mocked me, this is what I don't like.

I'm much more afraid of a person/institution/government that is afraid of ideas and promotes weapons instead. Show me a government/society/church/etc that valued weapons over ideas and how that turned out better for everyone.

I'm all about discussing ideas and organizations that can serve human needs. Democracy is like two wolves and a sheep meeting to discuss the dinner menu. At a minimum, the right of self-defense is off the table. Nobody has a right to deny anyone that right.

That is where the anti-gun dreamers are effectively denying basic human rights.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Yeah, that judge is setting a dangerous precedent. Not sure I like it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...awaii-judge-set-a-dangerous-precedent/519828/

i would love for most of the constitution to be accepted worldwide.

being on the wrong end of a 2nd amendment conviction 4 years ago!

that Hawaiian judge should have come to my rescue.

glad you at least agree on this

 

[DutchJazzer]

Shoot the bad guy, drop the gun, lay down on the ground.

from personal experience we didn't have to go that far.

holster the weapon or hold it in a neutral way in your hand!


als take of your shirt
put the shirt on the ground and your gun on the shirt. and hands up so they see there is no other gun concealed on you.

 

[DutchJazzer]

oh, no, Green didn't like my post. Look, I've been reading UN agenda publications since the sixties, where it is openly declared that privately-held guns must be abolished and that national armies must be apportioned to keep the peace, no winners no losers allowed but whoever the UN chiefs choose.

When you follow the money, the anti-gun rhetoric always goes back to ideologues of that super-clan. They are fascists, world-class fascists. You don't get to elect UN leaders. You don't get a direct public vote on UN agendas or policies. Human beings are considered property to be managed, like cattle.

I stand on the statement that "idealists" who support the UN agendas and policies are more dangerous than my gun-toting neighbors. These neighbors have their own agendas and policies for sure, but mostly they respect people who have the guts to take a stand for their rights.

Since my little discussion with the deer hunters, I've provided small stacks of hay in the fields where they can come and sit camouflaged while reducing the tons of alfalfa the deer eat off my fields.

yes the un was founded to prevent another tyranic0l reign like Hitler. but since the 60's all they wanna become is a hitler like rieghn. ofcourse hitler was voted into power. they are NOT.

WE MUST NOT SURRENDER OURSELF TO THE FALSE SONGS OF GLOBALISM!!!!!!!

 

[DutchJazzer]

Since you mocked me, this is what I don't like.

I'm much more afraid of a person/institution/government that is afraid of ideas and promotes weapons instead. Show me a government/society/church/etc that valued weapons over ideas and how that turned out better for everyone.

the jewish faith support weapons!
also christianity

Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

hitler was against private gun ownership. so was mao, so was stallin, so was pol pot!

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm all about discussing ideas and organizations that can serve human needs. Democracy is like two wolves and a sheep meeting to discuss the dinner menu. At a minimum, the right of self-defense is off the table. Nobody has a right to deny anyone that right.

That is where the anti-gun dreamers are effectively denying basic human rights.