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Why did Hayward suck so bad in the playoffs?

MoTown16 said:
Good point. Yes, it would have been nice to have drafted Harrison Barnes. But not having a pick forced KOC to use the assets we did have (namely, the Memo TPE) and we ended up with a PG and SF.

Getting pounded in a playoff series may have been exactly the experience needed to show the young players how much they still need to improve.
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the jazz wouldn't have picked 7th by missing the playoffs, though, so harrison barnes is not the guy on the other side of this "what-if". they would have been 14th and been choosing between the likes of john henson, mo harkness and royce white.

in other words, i agree with your point, but even more so because it's no barnes we left on the table.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Ok, fine..... sure.

I guess someone should research how many second year players have played in playoff series' playing over 30 mins per game......
WHILE playing against a multi-time world champion veteran team like the Spurs.
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I'm really not knocking Hayward. I'm of the opinion Ty failed us more than any player did, Ty was a rookie, too, and I don't think Ty could have done anything that would have changed the series. That beating was more useful than it appears.
 
billyshelby said:
I'm really not knocking Hayward. I'm of the opinion Ty failed us more than any player did, Ty was a rookie, too, and I don't think Ty could have done anything that would have changed the series. That beating was more useful than it appears.
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this is a solid point we haven't talked about enough. if it's true that hayward, favors, burks and the other PLAYERS needed to get their feet wet with playoff basketball, so did corbin. hopefully he came away with his list of needed improvements just like the young guys did.
 
theNBAnerd said:
this is a solid point we haven't talked about enough. if it's true that hayward, favors, burks and the other PLAYERS needed to get their feet wet with playoff basketball, so did corbin. hopefully he came away with his list of needed improvements just like the young guys did.
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There is no question Ty learned a hard lesson about having only one way to get into an offense. We can't just have Devin pass to the wing, have Devin run through, run all those convoluted baseline cuts to spring Al (which never resulted in easy buckets under the hoop like they're supposed to), then drop the ball to Al (when the baseline cuts didn't work), who is then stuck with wings who can't cut or shoot.

I've got no problem with some variation of the flex as a base, but there has to be wrinkles. You don't show a team your hand for 60 games and then expect to beat them with pure execution unless you have superstars.
 
billyshelby said:
There is no question Ty learned a hard lesson about having only one way to get into an offense. We can't just have Devin pass to the wing, have Devin run through, run all those convoluted baseline cuts to spring Al (which never resulted in easy buckets under the hoop like they're supposed to), then drop the ball to Al (when the baseline cuts didn't work), who is then stuck with wings who can't cut or shoot.

I've got no problem with some variation of the flex as a base, but there has to be wrinkles. You don't show a team your hand for 60 games and then expect to beat them with pure execution unless you have superstars.
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this is POST-OF-THE-SUMMER level stuff here. Sincerely.

However, I'm afraid of what your next sentence or paragraph would say. You didn't put Al on the hook the way you did everybody else; it is entirely conceivable that we can't run an offense that you would call adequate as long as Al is in there.

Hell, we couldn't do that when DWill and Sloan were here. <--- end of story.
 
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NAOS said:
this is POST-OF-THE-SUMMER level stuff here. Sincerely.

However, I'm afraid of what your next sentence or paragraph would say. You didn't put Al on the hook the way you did everybody else; it is entirely conceivable that we can't run an offense that you would call adequate as long as Al is in there.

Hell, we couldn't do that when DWill and Sloan were here. <--- end of story.
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Calling somebody out for not hating Al has got to be older than batman. You do realize there are other players with newly invented names for you to hate on in the offseason? Right?
 
billyshelby said:
I'm really not knocking Hayward. I'm of the opinion Ty failed us more than any player did, Ty was a rookie, too, and I don't think Ty could have done anything that would have changed the series. That beating was more useful than it appears.
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I hope you're right. I definitely think you could be but it remains to be seen whether or not Ty and the players have matured as a result of the lessons learned.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I hope you're right. I definitely think you could be but it remains to be seen whether or not Ty and the players have matured as a result of the lessons learned.
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Ty to players before next year's playoffs:

"OK, on offense just make your shots. And on defense, stop the other team from scoring."
 
AKMVP said:
That was not the point. Then you should compare AK stats in playoffs during his sophomore year - which are still way better then Haywards to disappoint you.
11.6pts, 4.8reb, 1.4ast, 0.6stl, 2blk, .419fg% 875FT% in 29min.
And his salary was way less then Gordons at that time.
All in all AK at any point of his career is better in playoffs then Hayward was vs Spurs....I doubt you will find anybody at any point of career who played 30min in playoff series and had worse stat line then Hayward.
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We can agree that AK sucked in multiple opportunities and is a little bitch though, right?
 
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