Why do we restrict the voting rights of felons?

[SaltyDawg]

It's not the kids who need to be talked to it's the parents. All I'm saying is completing avoiding, and not even mentioning, the real root of the problem - the lack of solid families - any attempt to fix our education problem will be like putting a band aid on 007's nuts at the end of Casino Royale.

No I totally agree that is a huge problem. That's why I said teachers should be allowed to spank kids to pick up the slack for parents who don't do their job (several posts back). Beyond that, I don't know what you can do about the lack of family values.

We still have a shortage of funding in the classrooms though. The 2 problems are not mutually exclusive.

And that, my friends, is why felons aren't allowed to vote, lol.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

What good does it do to turn our backs on root causes and instead blindly throw money at the easiest targets without regard to the self-reinforcing & spreading cycles? President Johnson's poverty fight with it's deeply racial undertones has done just that for the last 40-50 years. Throwing money at the problem feels good but it's a lazy way of avoiding the underlying causes while appeasing our conscience even though we are exacerbating the problem.

I don't believe in changing people like Spazz recommends either. I believe in harboring an environment where people change themselves. People are good and will do the right thing given a healthy, nourishing environment.

Maybe I was not clear. I do believe we should try to help people change, through a good environment and other ways, but yes the people do have to change themselves...but we can help.

I think we said basically the same thing, I am just not as clear it seems.

 

[franklin]

Maybe I was not clear. I do believe we should try to help people change, through a good environment and other ways, but yes the people do have to change themselves...but we can help.

I think we said basically the same thing, I am just not as clear it seems.

My apologies for misrepresenting what you wrote. You were more than clear & I was too slow to give your post its rightful dues.

 

[TroutBum]

My apologies for misrepresenting what you wrote. You were more than clear & I was too slow to give your post its rightful dues.

Wow, what proof are you drinking tonight, Frankster?

 

[franklin]

Wow, what proof are you drinking tonight, Frankster?

151/47.1875/#of Trout alts.

 

[Deleted member 365]

because felons are lame!

 

[TroutBum]

151/47.1875/#of Trout alts.

That is hot.

 

[sirkickyass]

Doing some more thinking about this. Pretty sure it's very difficult to justify. I think I'd be on board if the crime was specifically about abuse of democratic process like election rigging. Otherwise, it just seems like it's a majority/minority issue where we shut those with the most experience with the criminal justice system out of having any say on how that system runs. Almost like if male congressman went crazy over birth control and abortions.

Save the hate mail, I kid I kid.

 

[Gameface]

Doing some more thinking about this. Pretty sure it's very difficult to justify. I think I'd be on board if the crime was specifically about abuse of democratic process like election rigging. Otherwise, it just seems like it's a majority/minority issue where we shut those with the most experience with the criminal justice system out of having any say on how that system runs. Almost like if male congressman went crazy over birth control and abortions.

Save the hate mail, I kid I kid.

Combine that with the hyper aggressive enforcement of drug laws in the lowest of low income areas while in the suburbs police often turn a blind eye to drug possession and you've got modern day Jim Crow.

 

[One Brow]

I have to think nutrition ranks near the bottom of why our education is on the decline.

You don't think the brain is a physical object whose development is affected by nutrition? Or, you think most poor people eat healthily? ??

 

[One Brow]

No it is not. Victim blaming would be blaming the kids and I am not.

The parent can't be victims themselves?

Even in very bad circumstances parents can still ensure that things liek homework and what not are done.

Sure, if they get help. The parents that can live in someone else's home and work part-time get to spend all kinds of time with their kids.

 

[Gameface]

You don't think the brain is a physical object whose development is affected by nutrition? Or, you think most poor people eat healthily? ??

There's a pretty wide gap between eating an ideal diet and getting enough nutrition for proper brain functioning.