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Why doesn't Utah have a Lottery?

Am I correct in assuming that all of the people in this thread who would like to have the lottery also would like to legalize gambling/have casinos in Utah? That seems to be the pattern from the posts I've read.

More specifically: If there is anyone who wants to have the lottery but who DOESN'T want to otherwise legalize gambling, could you please post your reasons why? I'm genuinely interested to find out if/why people separate the lottery and other forms of gambling in their minds.

I guess if there is anyone who wants to legalize gambling but who doesn't want a state lottery, I'd like to hear your reasons as well.
 
Hay *******, did you see the post where I said it was something I had heard years ago and that I was looking for information about it? Did you see the other post where I said I wasn't finding anything about it? Then another one saying, well... here's what I could find.

Sorry I only spent 5 min looking, Thriller. It's a pretty minor point and I was going off my memory when I made my initial statement and admitted as much.

Besides, spending last per pupil while Utah taxpayers pay about what every other state taxpayer pays still illustrates the same point. The problem isn't what we're willing to spend on education, it's how many kids are in the system.

Again, pretty minor point in response to salty's pretty minor and slightly off topic point about air conditioning.

My opinion, that schools should all be private and privately funded, has very little to do with how much is spent per pupil or taxpayer. It is based on the notion that what we learn and what we are required to know should not be based on an approved list of knowledge provided by the state. For example, sex education. Some people want their kids to learn about sexuality, sexual preference, birth control, etc. While others would prefer their kids get a biology lesson in human reproduction. Currently people passionately fight about which will be taught to our children, begging the state to pick their side. Or how involved religion and religious practices are involved in school.

The info I tried to provide was trivia.

Except for the fact that the source you quoted said the exact opposite... But yeah, my bad, I'm not the one that doesn't know how to read. Oh gamey gamey gamey...

LOL....

This is fun, can we have another dance where you quote something, I enter the link, and completely humiliate you? This is fun!
 
For the record, I like to keep my house at 68 year round. I do not like to be hot.

I have spent months at a time trying to sleep in 80s temps. It's not fun. Fortunately, my workspace was kept at 55.

I honestly don't remember being overly hot in school. I guess that was before global warming.

I was responding in part to the Thriller in my post above. Sorry to mix you guys together. While you are very frustrating, you're not an ***.

Spend a day in a classroom in Utah with 30+ students that doesn't have AC in the month of May or Aug.

My elementary school did not have AC, and it sucked. Afternoons were the worst, we'd be sweating and struggling to stay awake.

Though I may still have problems staying awake at my college classes at UVU, at least the climate isn't a negative influence. Now, it's usually the boring lectures of professors or my college lifestyle.

Once again, there have been several studies done that show how lighting and temperature can affect student learning. Google it. Just quote more than a paragraph that you like/promotes your political agenda. Stay honest, aka DON'T LIE
 
I don't understand how a voluntary purchase is a tax.

You missed my "even if it is a self-selected opt-in" comment. And there were virtual quotes around the word "tax". ;-)

My point still goes: if raising revenue for the government is the goal, then doing it through gambling is not the best way. In fact, it's a truly stupid way because (moral objections to gambling aside) it preferentially hits the poorest and least educated elements of society.
 
Asbestos... how scawwy!

Which specific school's asbestos management plan do you feel needs special attention, salty? Are you interested in disturbing the asbestos tiles safely tucked away underneath carpet? Should we rip them up and send friable asbestos particles all over the school? Are you fear mongering or do you have specific examples of where children are actually at risk?

Also, I would like to read the study showing you that [better insulated] schools [with more efficient windows] are hotter today than they were 50, 70, 100 years ago. Do you have a study or is this just another gimmick to get more money?
 
Am I correct in assuming that all of the people in this thread who would like to have the lottery also would like to legalize gambling/have casinos in Utah? That seems to be the pattern from the posts I've read.

More specifically: If there is anyone who wants to have the lottery but who DOESN'T want to otherwise legalize gambling, could you please post your reasons why? I'm genuinely interested to find out if/why people separate the lottery and other forms of gambling in their minds.

I guess if there is anyone who wants to legalize gambling but who doesn't want a state lottery, I'd like to hear your reasons as well.
I am for legalizing both. In general, I am for legalizing everything that doesn't directly hurt someone else. I am against the government protecting us from ourselves. I am also against forcing people to live by someone else's morals. I think as long as you aren't hurting anyone else, you should live however you want. Of course, the exception is I think it's the parent's job to teach their kids good morals. I just don't think the law should specify what those morals are outside of not hurting anyone else. True freedom.
 
Am I correct in assuming that all of the people in this thread who would like to have the lottery also would like to legalize gambling/have casinos in Utah? That seems to be the pattern from the posts I've read.

More specifically: If there is anyone who wants to have the lottery but who DOESN'T want to otherwise legalize gambling, could you please post your reasons why? I'm genuinely interested to find out if/why people separate the lottery and other forms of gambling in their minds.

I guess if there is anyone who wants to legalize gambling but who doesn't want a state lottery, I'd like to hear your reasons as well.

Yes, I think they should have casinos in Wendover, Utah. Why? Because it makes sense. If people are willing to drive to West Wendover, NV to spend their money, why not make it so they still have to drive there, but not cross the state line if they don't want to do so. Keeping the money in-state just seems logical, adds some jobs, and brings revenue to the state. I'm guessing you are against it. Moral objections aside (assuming I'm correct), why?
 
Asbestos... how scawwy!

Which specific school's asbestos management plan do you feel needs special attention, salty? Are you interested in disturbing the asbestos tiles safely tucked away underneath carpet? Should we rip them up and send friable asbestos particles all over the school? Are you fear mongering or do you have specific examples of where children are actually at risk?

Also, I would like to read the study showing you that [better insulated] schools [with more efficient windows] are hotter today than they were 50, 70, 100 years ago. Do you have a study or is this just another gimmick to get more money?
1: Yes, I would remove any and all asbestos from any school that has it right now. Whether it's hidden under carpet or not, I would get rid of it.
2: I have no idea how hot schools were 50 years ago. I know a lot of them are hot as hell today and that's all I care about.
 
Interesting history of Lotteries in America:

American Lotteries

After the first English lottery approved by King James I in 1612 that granted the Virginia Company of London the right to raise money and therefore found the original settlement, lotteries in the colonies continued to be popular. In fact lotteries played a significant role in the financing of building and improving the colonies. Records show that over 200 lotteries were permitted between 1744 and the American Revolution, these played a vital role in the funding of roads, libraries, churches, colleges, bridges, and other public works. Princeton, Columbia University, and the University of Pennsylvania began by being financed by lotteries. Lotteries also played a part in supporting the war efforts during the French and Indian Wars and the American Revolution. Rare lottery tickets with George Washington's signature can still be found and are worth about $15,000 today.

Alexander Hamilton wrote that " Everybody...will be willing to hazard a trifling sum for the chance of considerable gain...and would prefer a small chance of winning a great deal to a great chance of winning little." while the Continental Congress employed lotteries to aid in the war effort. The lotteries were especially useful in raising funds as taxation was a sensitive issue among the colonists, unfortunately this practice also led to the belief that lotteries were/ are a form of hidden tax.

Although lotteries continued to be popular after the Revolution, by the late 19th century they became known for mismanagement and scandals and started to be banned in many states. The Louisiana State Lottery (1868-1892) became the most notorious state lottery and was known as the "Golden Octopus" as it reached into every American home. The Louisiana lottery especially was a breeding ground of corruption having bribed the legislators into a fraudulent deal, during a time when other states were viewing lotteries and gambling with suspicion. In July of 1890 President Harrison sent a message to Congress insisting that "severe and effective legislation" be enacted against lotteries. Congress agreed and banned US mails from carrying lottery tickets almost immediately and in 1892 upheld a law to put a complete halt to all lotteries in the US by 1900.

https://www.historyoflottery.com/american_lotteries.html
 
Are there any studies that have been done to prove that gambling negatively effects the "poor?" Why?

I've read a little bit about gambling addiction...

Then again, can't one become addicted to anything? I know of plenty of people that seem addicted to Call of Duty and Halo....

One way to increase revenue would be to accept more toxic waste into the state. Anyone for that?
 
Am I correct in assuming that all of the people in this thread who would like to have the lottery also would like to legalize gambling/have casinos in Utah? That seems to be the pattern from the posts I've read.

More specifically: If there is anyone who wants to have the lottery but who DOESN'T want to otherwise legalize gambling, could you please post your reasons why? I'm genuinely interested to find out if/why people separate the lottery and other forms of gambling in their minds.

I guess if there is anyone who wants to legalize gambling but who doesn't want a state lottery, I'd like to hear your reasons as well.

For me there are several different aspects to the lottery v. casinos. The lottery is some guy dropping a couple bucks at a gas station. Lottery does not bring real tourism to the state/area. Especially if all the states around you have the lottery. No reason to come to Utah.

Casinos on the other hand are much rarer. That attracts large amounts of tourism. For an example see Las Vegas.
 
1: Yes, I would remove any and all asbestos from any school that has it right now. Whether it's hidden under carpet or not, I would get rid of it.

Being afraid of something that doesn't actually hurt you is an irrational fear. You should probably read up on the asbestos [non] situation instead of simplifying down to asbestos = scary.

There is an asbestos abatement program in place. If there were an actual problem like you have assumed then those looking after this program would get the money to fix the problem. Nobody wants kids getting sick or dying from asbestos related conditions.

FYI, friable asbestos is the big problem and it has been all but removed.


2: I have no idea how hot schools were 50 years ago. I know a lot of them are hot as hell today and that's all I care about.

I was asking because you made the claim earlier to prove your point that schools are hotter today due to running technology.
 
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