Will DeMar DeRozan's contract this offseason set the floor for Hayward's deal?

[orangello]

https://hoopshype.com/2015/12/30/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

Thanks for the list, but why exactly did you post it?

 

[orangello]

I do think it is something to keep an eye on. I wonder if there are a lot of teams that go crazy with the extra cap space this summer and then there will be relatively few teams that would have enough for Hayward the following summer.

 

[silesian]

DeMar averages 15-21ppg vs every single team in the NBA over the course of his career..

Hayward has a list of teams he scores 12ppg against, and a few of them are in the West(Golden State and San Antonio...)

DeMar averages 18.1 ppg, with all 29 teams in a six point range (15-21)
Gordon averages 14.6 ppg, with all 29 teams in a six point range (11.5-17.5)

Difference is that DeMar scores more, not a variation issue where DeMar has fewer matchup problems.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Thanks for the list, but why exactly did you post it?

Read the thread......

How much money a player gets is directly tied to what else is available on the market and how many teams have money.

Example (simplified): If 9 teams have money available to offer a max contract and there are 10 players worthy of the max, one player is most likely not getting the max.

 

[orangello]

Read the thread......

How much money a player gets is directly tied to what else is available on the market and how many teams have money.

Example (simplified): If 9 teams have money available to offer a max contract and there are 10 players worthy of the max, one player is most likely not getting the max.

So the list was a ranking then?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So the list was a ranking then?

Do you read anything?

 

[orangello]

Do you read anything?

A few things. Other things not so much. Why?

 

[b_line]

I think Hayward is the better player. To say that Derozan is the best player on a 50 win team is ignoring that there are players better than him and as good as him on the same team. Hayward is very clearly the Jazz best player, with Favors second.

Also, Derozan can't shoot. That is huge.

Derozan will get the max, and so will Hayward, but it's not because they are as good as each other, it's because the salary structure and who has money.

Someone will pay for talent. When you have top 40 players in the league, they are probably getting the max, as teams can have a couple max players, especially when they are young and don't get the full veteran max.

 

[Game6Conley]

DeMar averages 18.1 ppg, with all 29 teams in a six point range (15-21)
Gordon averages 14.6 ppg, with all 29 teams in a six point range (11.5-17.5)

Difference is that DeMar scores more, not a variation issue where DeMar has fewer matchup problems.

do you think Haywards 12ppg average vs the Spurs is anomalous ?

 

[b_line]

do you think Haywards 12ppg average vs the Spurs is anomalous ?

This probably has a lot to do with the team scoring average too. If Hayward is on a fast paced team, does he score 25 a game?

Also, what is the variation in Derozans scoring vs the spurs, or better yet, vs the bulls, who have Jimmy Butler at shooting guard to defend him?

What are the teams Derozan struggles scoring against?

 

[Game6Conley]

Does the NBA play one on one? They don't so playing with your teammates is kind of important. I'd take Hayward or Derozan all day long. His lack of shooting makes it tough for him to make his teammates better.

I was just using it as an example of the differences in skillsets. I think Hayward has proven to be the better player. Thts why I think his contract will set the floor...

If you swapped the players the Raptors would obviously be better..

When DeRozan's running well he still makes his teammates better though..

The Lakers will probably throw him some of that Kobe expiring money and a max deal this offseason.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Gordon will get the max unless he has a serious injury. If you consider age he's somewhere in the 5-7 range on that list of guys teams are willing to give the max. Some of those are restricted and some will get maxed by their own teams which doesn't require a max slot on the market. Cap is supposed to jump from 92 to 108ish so that will create ample spots.

The decision is if we want to give him a 5 year max or not. If someone offered a top 2 pick Id probably move him and reallocate resources. If it was third or lower I'd just roll with Hayward. He's good at basketball guys... Like really good.