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Will the Bush Tax Cuts be Extended?

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Will the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% be extended?

  • Yes, Congress will hook up their hbuddies

    Votes: 8 57.1%

  • No, Congress will agree w/the President and let them expire

    Votes: 6 42.9%
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my obama apologist circle of friends say this is a politically expedient move on obama's part, ensuring his reelection in 2012, because he can campaign on ending the tax cuts for the rich and nobody is going to remember his cowardice today

it was the same justification they gave for him not doing anything on DADT this year, citing the importance of the midterm elections

your liberal base everyone, applauding the enactment of a republican agenda because, um, it gets our guys elected (and not even that)

edit: frankly mulletmutilator, i'd love to see college students in this nation get excited over anything political, besides condescending jon stewart rallies
 
Get Down said:
my obama apologist circle of friends say this is a politically expedient move on obama's part, ensuring his reelection in 2012, because he can campaign on ending the tax cuts for the rich and nobody is going to remember his cowardice today

it was the same justification they gave for him not doing anything on DADT this year, citing the importance of the midterm elections

your liberal base everyone, applauding the enactment of a republican agenda because, um, it gets our guys elected (and not even that)
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I just think the guy was elected to be the POTUS and has no idea what he is doing. I know there are promises made on the campaign by every candidate that never come to fruition. But he gets in and claims shutting down Guantanamo was a huge deal and needed to be done within a year. Didn't happen. We would be out of this war in(was it 16 months), never happened. I think he is still in campaign mode when he should have hit the pavement and governed.
 
Get Down said:
my obama apologist circle of friends say this is a politically expedient move on obama's part, ensuring his reelection in 2012, because he can campaign on ending the tax cuts for the rich and nobody is going to remember his cowardice today
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That rationale is moronic. In fact he just assured that the opposite will occur. He's cutting payroll taxes for 2011 and then they automatically rise again in 2012. Guess who the Republicans are going to blame for a 2% across the board (for employees, not for the real rich people) tax increase in an election year?
 
I'm done defending Obama until he does something real. None of this half-assed **** where he tries to pretend there's been a bipartisan compromise while he's getting his *** kicked.

The odds I'm just going to deface the presidential section of my ballot on Nov. 6, 2012 have risen significantly.

As someone who is unashamedly liberal I'm faced with the sad reality that I haven't been truly happy with any major legislation that has emerged from Congress in my entire adult life. 10 full years of disappointment and frustration is not what "hope and change" was supposed to be getting me.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'm done defending Obama until he does something real. None of this half-assed **** where he tries to pretend there's been a bipartisan compromise while he's getting his *** kicked.

The odds I'm just going to deface the presidential section of my ballot on Nov. 6, 2012 have risen significantly.

As someone who is unashamedly liberal I'm faced with the sad reality that I haven't been truly happy with any major legislation that has emerged from Congress in my entire adult life. 10 full years of disappointment and frustration is not what "hope and change" was supposed to be getting me.
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At least you are brave enough to admit it. There are many pundits still feeling tickles up their legs for him. They might be critical for a second and there they are on his bandwagon again.
 
As someone who is just about right in the middle, I can tell you kicky that in my 20 years+ of adult life it hasn't been much better. I started Democrat, then realized their policy of "think like we think or we will make you out to be the spawn of satan" didn't sit well with what I thought it meant to be liberal. They started as the open-minded ones and are now the most closed-minded of the political groups in America, and to me Obama is the pinnacle of that movement. I never did jump on the republican bandwagon, as even though I hold many of the conservative ideals in common, because there are too many nuts there that can't think beyond their over-thick foreheads. I have spent the last 4 election years picking the "least worst". Something has to change or we may begin to have more and more in common with ancient Rome.

What needs to change? The list is long, but part of it is I agree that entitlements have to go. We need a line-item veto. Eliminate the lobby entirely, along with campaign contributions larger than $1000 from any one group or individual. And term limits are a must. I would love to see the president's term reduced to one single term of 6 years and nothing more. That way he can spend the first 1.5 years kissing the a$$es of those who got him elected (as they do now) and the last 1.5 years making stupid decisions to try to get another from their party elected next (as they do now) but that gives them 3 years in between to actually do something.

I am moving from disillusioned to cynical faster than I thought I ever would.
 
what "entitlements" need to "go"? social security? medicare? what? and why should they go? and how should they go?

this is half genuine, half flippant btw
 
Sirkickyass said:
I'm done defending Obama until he does something real. None of this half-assed **** where he tries to pretend there's been a bipartisan compromise while he's getting his *** kicked.

The odds I'm just going to deface the presidential section of my ballot on Nov. 6, 2012 have risen significantly.

As someone who is unashamedly liberal I'm faced with the sad reality that I haven't been truly happy with any major legislation that has emerged from Congress in my entire adult life. 10 full years of disappointment and frustration is not what "hope and change" was supposed to be getting me.
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I guess that's one thing good about being older. At least I can be proud that I was around to see the Civil Rights Act passed in the 60's, though I guess technically that wasn't during my "adult life" since it was my parent's generation (and grandparents) that accomplished that.
 
and to a large degree, I hold Richard Nixon and his Watergate cronies responsible. I really wonder what party politics would be like today if that had never happened.

and don't feel bad, kicky, it could be worse - - at least your adult life didn't start with Ronald Reagan in the presidency...
 
TheMulletMutilator said:
Of course you wanted single payer. All Progressives did. Unfortunately for you this is a center right nation. Not an uber left one. As for Tea Partiers, let me tell you what they want. Keep the tax rates the same as we are already taxed too much, and cute government spending. Neither party is adult enough to do it but entitlements need to be reformed on a major basis. It won't happen though because that would mean both parties would lose votes. This is what happens when you are enslaved by entitlements. The minute they are threatened, people go up in arms. Look at France and their idea to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62. Rioting in the streets by college students etc. Other spending cuts, defense spending. Sorry, whether we like it or not there is probably going to be an attack at some point. Cut the defense budget. Pull our troops out of North Korea and Germany for that matter. We don't need to police the world. Close our bases around the world and I am sure we could start reducing our deficit. I guess I like the isolationist idea.
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Taxed too much? Ever check out the tax record for the past century? Come back and tell me if we're still "taxed too much."

I also got a good chuckle from the cuts that you suggested. If you think that anyone in this country (especially the tea party nutcakes) are going to agree to cuts to their medicare, SS, and defense spending, then I have a nice piece of real estate in Florida for you to buy.

Oh by the way, there's a new insurgency brewing in Iraq... And

"US war commander General David Petraeus expressed doubts Monday about the prospect of a victory in Afghanistan by 2014, admitting that a "resilient" Taliban"

https://www.google.com/hostednews/a...docId=CNG.22549d810f4577c4b54fcb7dcc5558f3.51

But that's ok. It's a lot easier to parade around in 18th century clothing talking about cuts to spending and freedom than to actually pay for two wars, endless spending for the oldies, and retarded tax cuts for rich people (for them to do what? Create jobs in India?).
 
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