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Will there be American invasion in Syria?

Not sure that genocidal war criminals are who we want to support.

The prisoners, seven in all, were captured Syrian soldiers. Five were trussed, their backs marked with red welts. They kept their faces pressed to the dirt as the rebels’ commander recited a bitter revolutionary verse.

“For fifty years, they are companions to corruption,” he said. “We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge.”

The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as “the Uncle,” fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoner’s head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.

But, they said, one of his tactics has been to promise to his fighters what he calls “the extermination” of Alawites — the minority Islamic sect to which the Assad family belongs, and which Mr. Issa blames for Syria’s suffering.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/...se-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp&
 
And the Middle East has nukes. And the U.S. has doggedly allied itself with the poison of the region. And they can't win no matter what they do, it seems.

Maybe the U.S. should turn its focus to controlling Africa instead. There are plenty of resources in Congo, no nukes, no Israel, and no cousin-religions whose origins can be traced to destroying the origins of the predominant religious traditions of our own nation. <--- Me being cynically advisory.

I'd prefer if we turned our attention to our own house and then our friends. Leave those that want to be left alone, alone.
 
For Trout and Mellow:

4 – The 21 August attack can only have been ordered and lead by the regime

The combined attack lead on August 21 corresponds to a classical tactical pattern (artillery preparation, then ground offensive) and the use of chemical agents was integrated in a tactical maneuver consistent, on a military level, with the Syrian armed forces’ doctrine. Reliable intelligence from several of our partners mentions specific preparations in the days just before August 21.

Conventional air and artillery bombardments took place between 3 and 4 am on the Ghouta East. In parallel, the locations of Zamalka, Kafr Batna and Ayn Tarma were reached by chemical attacks. At 6 am, a ground offensive was launched by the regime against thesecities.

Several sources mention the use of artillery rockets, different from those of the best known ammunition stock (missiles and bombs). Our technical analyses confirm that the restof rockets observed on that occasion, as for some previous and local operations, allow the use
of chemical agents.

The regime then lead important air and ground strikes on the attacked areas. It made efforts to delay the arrival of inspectors over several days. These elements confirm a clearwillingness to destroy any evidence a posteriori. Furthermore, the military set off fires, aiming apparently at purifying the atmosphere thanks to the air movement generated by the intense heat.

Our intelligence confirms that the regime feared a wider attack from the opposition on Damascus at that moment. Our assessment is that the
regime was trying by this attack to loosen the grip and to secure sites strategic to control of the capital. For example, the area of
Moadamiyé is located close to the Mezzeh military airfield, which houses the barracks of the Air Force intelligence.

Anyhow it is clear, by examining the targets of the attack, than only the regime itself could have targeted positions that were so strategic for the opposition.

Finally, we consider that the Syrian opposition does not have the capacity to lead an operation of that size with chemical agents. No group belonging to the Syrian opposition has, at this stage, the capacity to stock and use these agents, and even more in proportions
comparable to what was used on the night of August,21 in Damascus. These groups have
neither the experience, nor the know-how to implement them, particularly through vectors as those that were used during the August 21 attack.

If that's not damning enough then consider the high level Syrian Army phone calls that were intercepted and recorded, and Syria's known use of chemical weapons over the last two years.



https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/IMG/pdf/Syrian_Chemical_Programme.pdf
 
https://www.globalpost.com/dispatch...s-backing-possible-us-military-intervention-0

Add Japan to that number.

https://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/09/02/2013090201249.html

Looks like S Korea is onboard in some fashion

Germany is on board pending UN, NATO or EU approval.

S Africa is against a US strike on Syria.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...ine_countries_support_us_action_in_syria.html

So that is:
Albania
Australia
Canada
France
Turkey
Israel
Japan
South Korea
Kosovo
Denmark
Romania
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
 
Not sure that genocidal war criminals are who we want to support.



https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/...se-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp&

Let alone doing this kind of inhumane treatment to Assad troops they also doing it to the civilians and 12-15 year old kids. There is no living human being on this Earth crueler than this mercenaries. Theyre worshiping money and power more than their so-called god. Theyre creating troubles wherever they go for the sake of imperialists.
 
Neither do the majority in America.

Ironically, neither majority will be able to stop Obama's nonsense.

But if Erdoğan pulls us into the war and if more death news begin to come(syrian moil already cost us more than 100 people), it will be a hell of an uproar in Turkey and it won't stop until Erdoğan resign. I know I will be on the streets this time.
 
Let alone doing this kind of inhumane treatment to Assad troops they also doing it to the civilians and 12-15 year old kids. There is no living human being on this Earth crueler than this mercenaries. Theyre worshiping money and power more than their so-called god. Theyre creating troubles wherever they go for the sake of imperialists.

Exactly. Their core was camping and waiting the day in the northern Syria, way before the events started. They were about 3000-7000 people that consisted of ex-soldiers, high ranked agents/soldiers, ex-prisoners, al-qaeda members, recruits and the members of some other terrorist organizations in the area. After they have grown enough and the conjuncture was
convenient the orders came and everythings started.

The sad thing is, they also managed deceive thousands of regular Syrian people.
 
For Franklin:

Congresman Dennis Kucinich: In the lead-up to the Iraq War, I researched, wrote and circulated a document to members of Congress which explored unanswered questions and refuted President Bush’s claim for a cause for war.

The document detailed how there was no proof Iraq was connected to 9/11 or tied to al-Qaeda’s role in 9/11, that Iraq neither had WMDs nor was it a threat to the U.S., lacking intention and capability to attack. Unfortunately, not enough members of Congress performed due diligence before they approved the war.

Here are some key questions which President Obama has yet to answer in the call for congressional approval for war against Syria. This article is a call for independent thinking and congressional oversight, which rises above partisan considerations.

The questions the Obama administration needs to answer before Congress can even consider voting on Syria:
Claim #1. The administration claims a chemical weapon was used.

The UN inspectors are still completing their independent evaluation.

Who provided the physiological samples of sarin gas on which your evaluation is based? Were any other non-weaponized chemical agents discovered or sampled?

Who from the United States was responsible for the chain of custody?

Where was the laboratory analysis conducted?

Were U.S. officials present during the analysis of the samples? Does your sample show military grade or lower grade sarin gas?

Can you verify that your sample matches the exact composition of the alleged Syrian government composition?

Claim #2: The administration claims the opposition has not used chemical weapons.

Which opposition?

Are you speaking of a specific group, or all groups working in Syria to overthrow President Assad and his government?

Has your administration independently and categorically dismissed the reports of rebel use of chemical weapons which have come from such disparate sources as Russia, the United Nations, and the Turkish state newspaper?

Have you investigated the rumors that the Saudis may have supplied the rebels with chemicals that could be weaponized?

Has the administration considered the ramifications of inadvertently supporting al Qaeda-affiliated Syrian rebels?

Was any intelligence received in the last year by the U.S. government indicating that sarin gas was brought into Syria by rebel factions, with or without the help of a foreign government or intelligence agents?

Claim #3: The administration claims chemical weapons were used because the regime’s conventional weapons were insufficient.

Who is responsible for the conjecture that the reason chemical weapons were used against the Damascus suburbs is that Assad’s conventional weapons were insufficient to secure “large portions of Damascus”?

Claim #4: The administration claims to have intelligence relating to the mixing of chemical weapons by regime elements.

Who saw the chemical weapons being mixed from August 18th on?

Was any warning afforded to the Syria opposition and if not, why not?

If, on August 21st a “regime element” was preparing for a chemical weapons attack, has an assessment been made which could definitively determine whether such preparation (using gas masks) was for purpose of defense, and not offense?

Claim #5: The administration claims intelligence that Assad’s brother ordered the attack.

What is the type of and source of intelligence which alleges that Assad’s brother personally ordered the attack?

Who made the determination that Assad’s brother ordered the attack, based on which intelligence, from what source?

Claim #6: The administration claims poison gas was released in a rocket attack.

Who was tracking the rocket and the artillery attack which preceded the poison gas release?

Did these events occur simultaneously or consecutively?

Could these events, the rocket launches and the release of poison gas, have been conflated?

Based upon the evidence, is it possible that a rocket attack by the Syrian government was aimed at rebels stationed among civilians and a chemical weapons attack was launched by rebels against the civilian population an hour and a half later?

Is it possible that chemical weapons were released by the rebels — unintentionally?

Explain the 90-minute time interval between the rocket launch and chemical weapon attacks.

Has forensic evidence been gathered at the scene of the attack which would confirm the use of rockets to deliver the gas?

If there was a rocket launch would you supply evidence of wounds from the rockets impact and explosion?

What is the source of the government’s analysis?

If the rockets were being tracked via “geospatial intelligence,” what were the geospatial coordinates of the launching sites and termination locations?

Claim #7: The administration claims 1,429 people died in the attack.

Secretary Kerry claimed 1,429 deaths, including 426 children. From whom did that number first originate?

Claim #8: The administration has made repeated references to videos and photos of the attack as a basis for military action against Syria.

When and where were the videos taken of the aftermath of the poison gas attack?

Claim #9: The administration claims a key intercept proves the Assad regime’s complicity in the chemical weapons attack.

Will you release the original transcripts in the language in which it was recorded as well as the translations relied upon to determine the nature of the conversation allegedly intercepted?

What is the source of this transcript? What was the exact time of the intercept? Was it a U.S. intercept or supplied from a non-U.S. source?

Have you determined the transcripts’ authenticity? Have you considered that the transcripts could have been doctored or fake?

Was the “senior official,” whose communications were intercepted, a member of Assad’s government?

How was he “familiar” with the offensive? Through a surprised acknowledgement that such an attack had taken place? Or through actual coordination of said attack? Release the transcripts!

Was he an intelligence asset of the U.S., or our allies? In what manner had he “confirmed” chemical weapons were used by the regime?

Who made the assessment that his intercepted communications were a confirmation of the use of chemical weapons by the regime on August 21st?

What is the source of information that the Syrian chemical weapons personnel were “directed to cease operations”?

Is this the same source who witnessed regime officials mixing the chemicals?

Does the transcript indicate whether the operations they were “directed to cease” were related to ceasing conventional or chemical attacks?

Will you release the transcripts and identify sources of this claim?

Do you have transcripts, eyewitness accounts or electronic intercepts of communications between Syrian commanders or other regime officials which link the CW attack directly to President Assad?

Who are the intelligence officials who made the assessment — are they U.S. intelligence officials or did the initial analysis come from a non-U.S. source?

Claim #10: The administration claims that sustained shelling occurred after the chemical weapons attack in order to cover up the traces of the attack.

Please release all intelligence and military assessments as to the reason for the sustained shelling, which is reported to have occurred after the chemical weapons attack.

Who made the determination that was this intended to cover up a chemical weapon attack? Or was it to counterattack those who released chemicals?

How does shelling make the residue of sarin gas disappear?

The American people have a right to a full release and vetting of all facts before their elected representatives are asked to make a decision of great consequence for America, Syria and the world. Congress must be provided answers prior to the vote, in open hearings, not in closed sessions where information can be manipulated in the service of war. We’ve been there before. It’s called Iraq.

https://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/05/322265/kucinich-10-unproven-prosyria-war-claims/

Not that it matters, war was decided when the redline was drawn, everything since has been posturing for support. Today Turkey is moving tanks and soldiers to the Syrian border and the US State Department is evacuating the embasy in Lebanon.

In the battlefield men grapple each other and die;
The horses of the vanquished utter lamentable cries to heaven,
While ravens and kites peck at human entrails,
Carry them up in their flight, and hang them on the branches of dead trees.
So, men are scattered and smeared over the desert grass,
And the generals have accomplished nothing.

Oh, nefarious war! I see why arms were so seldom used by the benign sovereigns.
 
Thankfully it appears that the House will not approve a Syrian attack. I doubt that stops it though.

Turkey is not the only middle east entity gearing for war. Iran, Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Hamas, Hezbollah, Saudi Arabia, Iraq...Everyone is getting ready. They see what could happen.

Edit:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013...syria-border-as-erdogan-backs-u-s-attack.html

Turkey sending tanks, rocket launchers, anti aircraft guns, warplanes and drones to the Syrian boarder.

Syria threatens to attack Turkey, Jordan and Israel if attacked by the US.

UGH!

Edit #2:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/us-iran-syria_n_3877515.html

Iran planning to attack American interests in Iraq in response to any attack on Syria. One target mentioned would be the American embassy in Baghdad.
 
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