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Will there be American invasion in Syria?

Obama gave a speech this morn'.
I got the impression that they don't know for sure that the Syrian gov was behind a chem assault, but he feels it is politically necessary to try to rally everyone to agree to take military action.
I also got the impression that the press was taking him to task for not being as a good a lying warmonger as Bush.
 
For Franklin:



Not that it matters, war was decided when the redline was drawn, everything since has been posturing for support. Today Turkey is moving tanks and soldiers to the Syrian border and the US State Department is evacuating the embasy in Lebanon.

Dude, I got 1.5 hours of dead time so here goes:

The questions the Obama administration needs to answer before Congress can even consider voting on Syria:
Claim #1. The administration claims a chemical weapon was used.

The UN inspectors are still completing their independent evaluation.

It takes time to run the samples. So what? Symptoms are consistent with chemical weapons attacks along with secondary effects on medical personell (meaning it wasn't random food poisoning or other biological agent) and nobody doubts that they were used, except bonehead politicians like Kucinich.

Claim #2: The administration claims the opposition has not used chemical weapons.

Which opposition?

Are you speaking of a specific group, or all groups working in Syria to overthrow President Assad and his government?

Kucinich want's the President to prove a negative? Umm, kay. Where's Kucinich's proof? The Russians you say? 1.A) **** Russia. 1.B) We looked at their junk science already, and summarily chucked it into the waste bin.



Have you investigated the rumors that the Saudis may have supplied the rebels with chemicals that could be weaponized?

You mean rumors from that Lebanese newspaper or the Iranian one? Either way, not only no, but shut the **** up Dinnis. You're embarrassing your country.


Has the administration considered the ramifications of inadvertently supporting al Qaeda-affiliated Syrian rebels?

This has nothing to do with the chemical weapons.


Was any intelligence received in the last year by the U.S. government indicating that sarin gas was brought into Syria by rebel factions, with or without the help of a foreign government or intelligence agents?

Is this linked to that cute little story from the Russians that you fell in love with, Dinnis?


Claim #3: The administration claims chemical weapons were used because the regime’s conventional weapons were insufficient.

Who is responsible for the conjecture that the reason chemical weapons were used against the Damascus suburbs is that Assad’s conventional weapons were insufficient to secure “large portions of Damascus”?

Telephone calls between his generals, for starters. We've already covered this. Are you drunk again Dinnis?


Claim #4: The administration claims to have intelligence relating to the mixing of chemical weapons by regime elements.

Who saw the chemical weapons being mixed from August 18th on?

Was any warning afforded to the Syria opposition and if not, why not?

If, on August 21st a “regime element” was preparing for a chemical weapons attack, has an assessment been made which could definitively determine whether such preparation (using gas masks) was for purpose of defense, and not offense?

You may not be aware, Dinnis, and this doesn't suprise us, but we were not active in the situation on August 18th. Becoming active is what these proceedings are about.

Claim #5: The administration claims intelligence that Assad’s brother ordered the attack.

What is the type of and source of intelligence which alleges that Assad’s brother personally ordered the attack?

Who made the determination that Assad’s brother ordered the attack, based on which intelligence, from what source?

Some of that is classified. If you weren't so damned crazy you might have clearance, but you know, national security precludes that and all.

Claim #6: The administration claims poison gas was released in a rocket attack.

Who was tracking the rocket and the artillery attack which preceded the poison gas release?

Did these events occur simultaneously or consecutively?

Could these events, the rocket launches and the release of poison gas, have been conflated?

No. The targets and releases were coordinated. Unless you think that the rebels guessed where Assad would shell Demascus and got lucky releasing the chemical weapons on their strongholds simultaneously. That sounds kinda crazy, so we guessed you'd come to this conclusion Dinnis.




Okay okay, that was too easy. I'm not reading the rest of Dinnis' blather. His nasty lips are burned into my brain enough already.
 
Did China just call one of their floaty toys an assault ship? They're so cute some times.

I got as much of a kick out of them calling the people onboard marines.

Let's put 1000 of our Marines and 1000 of their marines on an island and see what happens.
 
I agree Franklin* and Gameface but China having assets in the area is a new development and not necessarily a good one for America.
 
These strategic concerns, motivated by fear of expanding Iranian influence, impacted Syria primarily in relation to pipeline geopolitics. In 2009 - the same year former French foreign minister Dumas alleges the British began planning operations in Syria - Assad refused to sign a proposed agreement with Qatar that would run a pipeline from the latter's North field, contiguous with Iran's South Pars field, through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and on to Turkey, with a view to supply European markets - albeit crucially bypassing Russia. Assad's rationale was "to protect the interests of [his] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."

Instead, the following year, Assad pursued negotiations for an alternative $10 billion pipeline plan with Iran, across Iraq to Syria, that would also potentially allow Iran to supply gas to Europe from its South Pars field shared with Qatar. The Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) for the project was signed in July 2012 - just as Syria's civil war was spreading to Damascus and Aleppo - and earlier this year Iraq signed a framework agreement for construction of the gas pipelines.

The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline plan was a "direct slap in the face" to Qatar's plans. No wonder Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, in a failed attempt to bribe Russia to switch sides, told President Vladmir Putin that "whatever regime comes after" Assad, it will be "completely" in Saudi Arabia's hands and will "not sign any agreement allowing any Gulf country to transport its gas across Syria to Europe and compete with Russian gas exports", according to diplomatic sources. When Putin refused, the Prince vowed military action.
full storyhttps://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines
 
Russia has the dominance over the pipeline projects/plans. Too many plans died because of Russia and Turkey is the most suffered one in all this strategy wars over pipelines. Nabucco project being the most recent fiasco of US, EU and Turkey.

At first I didn't think oil was the major factor here, but after reading the articles that you all posted about Russia,China,Iran, and Iraq getting srs, I figured that energy must be a bigger component then I first imagined.

What was the Nabucco project? I haven't heard of it.
 
At first I didn't think oil was the major factor here, but after reading the articles that you all posted about Russia,China,Iran, and Iraq getting srs, I figured that energy must be a bigger component then I first imagined.

What was the Nabucco project? I haven't heard of it.

It was a project aiming to reduce European dependence to Russian gas. It was a huge project that will bring Azerbaijan, Iraq and Iran gas to Europe through Turkey. Even though US and main European countries backed the project, Russian pressure on the source countries blocked it.

Meanwhile Russia developed alternative projects and they are realizing them fast. They now got the Italian support and they will continue to be the main energy supplier for Europe over the mid-long term.
 
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