Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[firegirl]

It's quite entertaining watching all of you measuring each other's dicks.

None of you have changed your opinion. Not even by a hair. Why do you keep fighting over this? No one on either side is changing.

Why not focus on a middle ground? Something in common? Are you both so far gone that you can't meet in the middle?


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[Hotdog]

It's quite entertaining watching all of you measuring each other's dicks.

None of you have changed your opinion. Not even by a hair. Why do you keep fighting over this? No one on either side is changing.

Why not focus on a middle ground? Something in common? Are you both so far gone that you can't meet in the middle?


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Ive tried. The Democrats are stuck on stupid.

I will give you an example. I've pointed out that there is a left leaning media bias from CNN and others and there is a right leaning bias from fox news and others. But these clowns will dig right in and deny there is any kind of left leaning bias and its only Fox news.

The left has no interest in solving anything. That is made clear in how they attack free speech and literally refuse to have debates.

How many right leaning types around here have you seen say they are putting people on ignore? Its none. Its all the lefties. Its a lefty issue. They are smug and think they know it all.

 

[framer]

The mueller report says that the Russians interfered and influenced the election. Did you predict this?

The mueller reported that trump staff repeatedly ignored his orders. Did you predict this?

The mueller report provided 10 examples of obstruction and could not exonerate trump on obstruction. He punted on the decision to indict. Did you predict this?

The mueller report proved that s sanders lied to the public. Did you predict that?

In real life, deciding not to indict means that not enough evidence exists to indict. There is no "well the evidence was there to indict, but they just decided not to." Mueller found no evidence of collusion, nor did he find enough evidence to recommend indictment. That's the facts. Everything else is various shades of editorializing, which usually isn't allowed in a grand jury report made public. And yet, it was released without objection by the DOJ.

Also I am going to need sourcing on the "Russia INFLUENCED the election" angle you trot out as a fact.

 

[LogGrad98]

What kind of influence did Russia have on the election? 10%? 50%? Were enough votes swayed to change the outcome? Can it be proven?

I have no doubt they did what they could to interfere, I'm interested in how much of an effect it actually had. Or is there no way to tell?

 

[One Brow]

I've pointed out that there is a left leaning media bias from CNN and others and there is a right leaning bias from fox news and others. But these clowns will dig right in and deny there is any kind of left leaning bias and its only Fox news.

Literally no one takes the position that only Fox news has bias. There is a difference between trolling and lying.

CNN's bias, as I have said before, is toward sensationalism. Any left-right bias is dwarfed by that. There are many left-biased networks, but CNN isn't one of them.

 

[One Brow]

In real life, deciding not to indict means that not enough evidence exists to indict.

Or that you don't indict because policy so forbids. The DOJ is not allowed to indict a sitting President, by policy.

Mueller found no evidence of collusion,

There are dozens of instances of collusion.

nor did he find enough evidence to recommend indictment.

He recommended indictment on five separate incidents.

That's the facts.

Those were lies. I don't think you are lying, but that you are repeating lies you have been told by whatever your sources are.

Everything else is various shades of editorializing, which usually isn't allowed in a grand jury report made public. And yet, it was released without objection by the DOJ.

All of the grand jury information was redacted, that is, not released.

Also I am going to need sourcing on the "Russia INFLUENCED the election" angle you trot out as a fact.

Really, there is so much there is you care to look. How much "sourcing" do you require? Can we start with the multiple indictments by Mueller of Russian nationals? Do you need more than that?

 

[One Brow]

What kind of influence did Russia have on the election? 10%? 50%? Were enough votes swayed to change the outcome? Can it be proven?

I have no doubt they did what they could to interfere, I'm interested in how much of an effect it actually had. Or is there no way to tell?

I don't think that anyone can give you a percentage. In an election decided by a total of 80,000 votes spread among three states, not much of an effect was needed.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't think that anyone can give you a percentage. In an election decided by a total of 80,000 votes spread among three states, not much of an effect was needed.

Agreed.

Is your opinion that if Russia had not interfered the outcome would have been different?

 

[One Brow]

Is your opinion that if Russia had not interfered the outcome would have been different?

I don't know. Anyone who say they are certain, one way or the other, is kidding themself.

 

[Hotdog]

Literally no one takes the position that only Fox news has bias. There is a difference between trolling and lying.

CNN's bias, as I have said before, is toward sensationalism. Any left-right bias is dwarfed by that. There are many left-biased networks, but CNN isn't one of them.

How do you figure CNN is not left leaning? If that were true, doesnt it make it odd then that stadiums full of Republicans chant "CNN sucks"?
Are they all just a bunch of Republicans mad about sensationalism?

Cmon man? Really? This is why we cant find common ground. We cant even get on the same page with just some simple truths. Somewhere you read that CNN is sensationalism, and havent even bothered to be objective about it. This is where liberals have their faults. You are too scared to go against the grain of your mad liberal party because you know you will be attacked and ostracized by your supposed own pepes. You live in fear. You dont objectively look at things. The leftists are trying to bully the **** out of people now, and its working on a lot of people. Its this self feeding monster. You bully each other into not daring go against your own propaganda. This is why you are unable to change your mind on something.

 

[silesian]

In real life, deciding not to indict means that not enough evidence exists to indict. There is no "well the evidence was there to indict, but they just decided not to." Mueller found no evidence of collusion, nor did he find enough evidence to recommend indictment. That's the facts. Everything else is various shades of editorializing, which usually isn't allowed in a grand jury report made public. And yet, it was released without objection by the DOJ.

Those are clearly not the facts. You are confusing this with a normal criminal case and totally missing the unique nature of Presidential impeachment.

Mueller declined to make a recommendation on obstruction mostly because the Office of Legal Counsel has concluded that a sitting president is immune from indictment. Mueller made clear that it is up to Congress to decide whether to use impeachment as a remedy.

This is spelled out explicitly and very clearly in the report. I suggest you read it.

 

[silesian]

Also I am going to need sourcing on the "Russia INFLUENCED the election" angle you trot out as a fact.

Do you believe the election would have been exactly the same with our without the Russian involvement? Come on, be serious.

I guess one could argue that Russian actions had zero influence on American voters. One could argue that not even one person fell for their clever trolling and bots. Certainly we've seen real voters engaged with the Russians and one could believe that it is remotely possible that absolutely every one of them would have voted for Trump without this influence.

But we can separate the theoretically possible to the "common sense" reality and admit that it is highly likely that all the Russian efforts were not completely wasted and ineffective and they fooled a certain percentage of the population. Heck, if they turned the right 0.08% of the voters (110,000) that is all they needed to get their guy in power.